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#101 kasshin

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 09:28 PM

On one of my newer ABs I got clementia last even after high heal.

 

Praef 1 - just so good for keeping people alive and healthy

Coluseo 3 - similar to praef for keeping HP high

Canto 3 - MUST HAVE for me ASAP, it keeps parties walking much faster = finishing faster. Windwalker is too slow for my taste. I can't believe people will opt for sacrament before getting canto just to be flashy.

High Heal - great for burst heal amount, even greater when 110+ and can use the light of cure

That leaves clementia last. Yes it does give STR, VIT, DEX. But rangers are one shotting everything easily in mid TI without any buffs already anyway. Yes the DEX and INT will help cast time but it's not nearly as important as having praef up, having everyone agi-ed up, and so on. If you are good at remembering names (very important for ABs at least later on), you can remember the people who need bless most. This would be yourself for higher INT for heals / sp regen, DEX for slightly faster cast time. Warlocks and Sorcerers benefit a lot from 10 INT and 10 DEX. Genetics need the INT a lot and the STR / DEX is nice too, but not all genetics are equally useful in mid TI you may find. :heh:

 

One thing that nullifies all of the above however is popping a BM on the eden 91-99 boards. That alone should give an AB more than enough job levels for all of the basic skills.

 


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 08:55 AM

the reason for rushing clementia 3 is because of ancilla.
you can get it last if you're not having sp problems.


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 03:56 PM

the reason for rushing clementia 3 is because of ancilla.
you can get it last if you're not having sp problems.

 

That is a good point, I do build my characters around Arc Angeling Card so my situation is different. Ancilla is definitely great and three of them can usually last an average AB for one round of TI.

 

(I still find it weird replying to someone with a long line of numbers as their name :p_sick: )


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 10:02 AM

I was wondering if Assumptio does increase Soft DEF/MDEF too because I'm having differences with what the iROWiki calc shows about damage done by monsters :p_sick:


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 10:11 AM

assumptio increases only hard def(and mdef...) (i think, google DEF -  iro wiki)
angelus only increases soft def.
i got mine at level 3.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 06:23 PM

for cheap economy gears its

Weapon:

Level 4: Novice Mace - you can enchant this at izlude. a + 8-10 Mace[4] is ok too.

Level 24
Survivor's Rod[1] - int or dex, any is ok. a better equivalent of an eden staff 1. you can get eden mace 1 if you have this.

Mighty Staff - equivalent of an eden mace. you can get an eden staff 1 if you have this.

Level 26/40
Eden Mace/Staff

Level 60:
Eden Staff III - archbishop Lv1 at level 70/80

Armors:

Headgear : Morpheus Hood, Eden Group Hat(Int Enchant)
Armor : Goibne Armor, Eden Armor IV, Puente Robe[1], Odin's Blessing[1] 
Shield : Round Buckler[1], SIlver Guard[1].
Garment : Eden Group Manteau, Eden Group Manteau II. Vali's Manteau, Morpheus Shawl.
Shoes : Eden Group Boots IV, Vidar's Boots.
Accessory: Rosary, Morpheus Ring & Bracelet.
 


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 04:12 AM

What's the stat that's best to increase after maxing your INT and VIT? LUK, AGI, or DEX?


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 04:30 PM

DEX for cast times, unless you are uber-geared with a full set of cast reduc gears (spell FAW, rwc pendant(s), etc). If that was the case you probably wouldn't be asking this question.

 

77 LUK only if using AA card. Otherwise you don't need much at all for PVM / leveling (only 20-40 will be fine).

 

High AGI if you want to use it for bleed resistance / immunity, unless you default ungoliant card or use a lot of cure frees.

 

And I hope by "maxing" you didn't mean 120 INT and 120 VIT. 90-100 or so is adequate early on in PVM and you will benefit more from having several other stats at medium or high amounts. Actually that arguably holds true even for an endgame build, with several stats at medium/high amounts and balanced.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:55 AM

Will buffs affect status immunity? Like:

- Increase AGI: At 84 agi, I can have 100 agi total
- Gloria: Keep my LUK at 77 and use Gloria to which adds 30 LUK

I came up with with above statements in mind:
STR: 3
INT: 104
AGI: 84
DEX: 80
VIT: 95
LUK: 77

I want my build to be as versatile as possible (not gear dependent). Please rate :)

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 11:23 AM

I came up with with above statements in mind:
STR: 3
INT: 104
AGI: 84
DEX: 80
VIT: 95
LUK: 77

uhm. 79 agi is enough at 150, with the +5 bonus of canto candidus.

aside from that all the others are ok. why would you stop at 104 int though?
if it were me i would remove 4 dex and add 5 vit.


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Posted 13 April 2014 - 09:36 AM

Okay so stat bonuses work for immunities. Got it.

I don't think I can raise INT any higher if I want immunities from stats alone. If I want to raise it any higher, the only thing I could sacrifice is DEX but that would mean I have to sacrifice a lot. I read all the posts in this thread and looks like it's split to max int vs high int w/ immunities. I'm more convinced with the immunity. Or do you have a better idea?

Just a silly question from someone who came from the age where there was no renewal and 3rd classes. Why is the stat calc capped at Lv160? I assumed that iRO is capped at 150.


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Posted 13 April 2014 - 03:36 PM

~100 int is enough for all AB purposes other than showing unnecessary uber heal numbers in town. Healing in general isn't even very important with a proper party and buffs and pneuma/safety wall is more important for endgame purposes. But if you wear a lot of cast reduc gear all of the time, you can opt for lower dex or even 1 dex, and the extra points could potentially be spent on INT. Also, the 120+ total INT sp regen bonus (note that this applies to TOTAL int and not just base int plus job bonuses) does not multiply with AA card and is rather useless too.
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Posted 17 April 2014 - 07:33 AM

@kasshin
Hmm so you think that my build is good (just scrape off the extra 4 int and reallocate it to vit maybe)? 


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Posted 17 April 2014 - 10:46 AM

You only need 79 agi, to have 100 total with Canto Candidus (+21 agi at job 50), to have complete immunity to bleed and sleep, leaving it at 84 is a waste of stats point.


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Posted 17 April 2014 - 11:25 AM

Your build already looks fine to me. A build consistent with your objectives would only require 100 INT, 79 AGI, ? DEX (will cover this in a second), 95 VIT, and 77 LUK as minimum.

As for the remaining points, this is where it stands:

STR: only good if you have weight issues even after you used 10 gym passes. Highly recommended if using the AB for WoE / PVP though.
AGI: I always recommend to all my friends to raise AGI from 79 to 80 minimum now. You get a small ASPD boost when equipping FAW with every 20 AGI, so you might as well spend that extra one point. ASPD affects how fast you lex / spam skills especially within strings for no global cooldown
INT: 100 is enough really but since you have leftover points it's entirely up to you whether you put more points into it and it's very optional.
DEX: This is where it gets tricky. Yes DEX does affect cast time but nowadays it's very easy to get high amounts of % cast reduction, which makes DEX somewhat useless. However if you wear AA cards and certain other gears, you will be quite far from 100% cast reduction and you may not always be in strings. If you always have extremely high % cast reduction like with spell FAW, CoD, double spell weapon, you really can have 1 DEX and be fully functional. For all other situations though, 60~80 DEX or even more is good.
VIT: 95 is adequate. I have yet to encounter any situations where 10-20 more VIT (for more HP pool) would make a difference in surviving a certain thing or not. (e.g. Ifrit EQ will one shot you regardless of whether you have 100 VIT or 120 VIT).
LUK: 77 LUK is fine for AA card and anymore would be a waste. If not using AA card, 20~40 is enough.
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Posted 17 April 2014 - 01:20 PM

Actually, you are probably fine with even just 92 INT if you really wnated to too.
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Posted 07 May 2014 - 07:32 PM

What are good weapon cards for FS PvM bishop?


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 05:19 AM

i can only think of fabre card, drops card, centipede larva card, or fur seal card.

lady solace if you have a holy armor and reflect gear (thorny buckler, robe of affection)


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 05:22 AM

GK from Lady Solace card will eat 20% of current HP anyway, isn't it?


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 06:06 AM

Or you can leave it uncarded until better cards come out from kRO. Current weapon cards are pretty insignificant for a FS AB.
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Posted 11 May 2014 - 05:06 PM

The gears look pretty solid already. You might actually prefer using the CoD for fast casts. Healing in general is actually pretty overrated. If you like fast casts, you can go for a weapon that can get spell enchants like a Holy Stick. Otherwise for regular healing something like a Wand of Affection (don't ever use the whole set) is okay.

 

Shield, get a set of different race reduction shields (orc warrior, thara frog, etc.). Put them in a round buckler if you want to share them with other characters, and put them in a Valk shield if the card is expensive and you intend to do endgame things with it.

 

Ungoliant card is pretty good for an AB as bleeding is your worst enemy. If you have 100 total AGI though you will be immune to it provided the monsters are around the same base level as you or lower.


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 11:06 AM

The cure wand is probably the best general overall weapon, especially at high refines. However 2000 kvm is not cheap/easy to get. A regular wand of affection will actually be fine for regular TI parties up to 150. If your party is making you heal a LOT, there is something wrong with the party itself (no tank? bad tank? "tank" dragging mobs right onto party?)

I actually recommend focusing on other things like status immunity (ungoliant or AGI), SP regeneration / upkeep, damage reduction, and fast casts.
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Posted 14 May 2014 - 08:42 AM

That sounds fine to me. Consider an ungoliant card or getting high AGI (70-80+) though for bleed immunity. That is really what makes mid and high TI more challenging as many monsters inflict bleed there. You can also stock up on curefrees. Arc Angeling is extremely good, especially if you can share with some other classes that can get 77 LUK (Ranger, Warlock).

Ninja Scroll might be expensive at the moment and isn't really going to help you much considering its price. If you already have one that's okay I guess, but I don't recommend getting one. You can even leave your lower heagear blank as none of them really benefit all that much.

Orleans Gown just leave it at +4. Instead invest in multiple of them for fire, wind, water. Unfrozen Fire and Unfrozen Wind are sometimes needed too, which means you do need a phen of some sort.

Enhanced Variants isn't really worth the money in my opinion. You only get 2% more HP/SP with firelock card. It's only good if you are trying to stack lots of hard MDEF (like 60 total or more).

RWC Pendants are quite nice for sure. Sprint Ring is also an alternative.

For weapon you can consider Wand of Affection, Strong Recovery Wand, Healing Staff, or Holy Stick (spell enchanted).

Raydric is generally fine for garment. Deviling is even better and is very nice for all characters in pretty much all PVM situations.

For shield, make a set of round bucklers or valk shields for the most common races (or sizes). I usually recommend Valk for things like Cranial (thara frog), penomena (because the card is expensive), anti-medium (VERY useful in TIs). If you are really hardcore about ABing and plan on making 2-3 or more ABs, make Bible Vol 1's with the common race cards.

Edited by kasshin, 14 May 2014 - 08:43 AM.

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Posted 16 May 2014 - 07:45 PM

 

How do I earn Zeny as a FS Archbishop?

 

Plundering and pillaging other people's abandoned loots


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Posted 17 May 2014 - 09:47 AM

Is Long Mace still viable for WoE?


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