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[iDaehyun]

but some people say, it cant stack with 16th night?
like if i have 70% cast reduction gear, 16th night, will reduce the the remaining fixed cast (30%), so it will add 15% reduce
so which are true?
70%+ (30%:50=15%) = 85%
or 70%+ 50% = 120% variable cast reduction

if the skill didnt have more than 1s fixed cast time, its mean we can insta cast or no?

 

 

 

 

This buffs the caster with 16th Night status. For the duration of the skill, fixed cast time is reduced by 100%, and variable cast time is reduced by 50%. The variable cast reduction stacks multiplicatively with variable cast reduction from other sources (ex, Magic Strings and Malangdo Enchants). 

http://irowiki.org/wiki/16th_Night
There you go. 

Edited by iDaehyun, 02 January 2014 - 07:45 AM.

[weaseI]

Nope, 70% cast time reduction is only mean for variable cast time, 16th Night remove fixed cast time, reduce 50% var cast time, so he/she'll have 120% var cast time reduction, and that's overkill. Though if you get hit-locked or mobbed, you can still be interrupted, or won't even be able to cast.

 

Not sure if you are trolling but don't give info that you don't know. 70% cast reduction from gear plus 16th Night will result 85% total cast reduction. You even gave out the link where it said stacks multiplicatively not additively. And how the heck you can't cast when there is no cast time to begin with.../facepalm

[Kadelia]

Who did the testing to say its multiplicative and not additive? With cast time gear, my charms are instant cast with 16th night.

[samudra]

http://irowiki.org/wiki/16th_Night
There you go. 

yeah i know, but  people say the description is broken
on my server k/o patch ,maybe release in 1-2 next month
so, i try to save money and collect the gear from now,
because now i have -50% reduce cast gear, if u say its true, i hope it can insta cast 50+50

but if it broken,maybe i try to put status on dex

[weaseI]

Who did the testing to say its multiplicative and not additive? With cast time gear, my charms are instant cast with 16th night.

 

I just tested in game. 

50% cast reduction gear + 16th night = not insta cast

97% cast reduction gear + 16th night = not insta cast

100% cast reduction gear + 16th night = insta cast

[Hissis]

I just tested in game. 

50% cast reduction gear + 16th night = not insta cast

97% cast reduction gear + 16th night = not insta cast

100% cast reduction gear + 16th night = insta cast

What about 60~70% cast reduction gear,40~50 Dex and 120 Int + 16th night?

 

Can i get Insta Cast ?

 

I Hope yes,I dont have much money to get Insta Cast Stuff

Edited by Hissis, 03 January 2014 - 10:22 AM.

[weaseI]

Sorry that I'm too lazy to post screen shot.

 

I tested with

16th Night + 65 dex(from marrionnate control) + 126 int + 76 % cast reduction gear = not insta cast. I believe even adding a bit more dex/int and cast reduction still won't let you instant cast with the cast time results I'm getting.

 

My conclusion is 16th cast reduction is stand alone which is not additive with either stats and cast reduction gear. But then I think your current setup is good enough for party and maybe for soloing if you used with Cicada Skin.

[Hissis]

Thanks for the help

[aikokun]

Just made a replay showing that 16th night doesn't add together to your cast reduction and instead multiplies the remaining cast time by half. Drop it in the replay folder in your RO folder and then run the replay client from the patcher to select it.

 

https://drive.google...dit?usp=sharing

 

I start with 106% reduction from gears:

 

30 from CoD

30 from FAW

16 from Bazerald

16 from RWC Pendant

14 from Chambered RWC Pendant

 

I remove the Chambered RWC pendant to make my total cast reduction 92% without 16th Night. With 16th Night my cast reduction becomes 96%, because the skill multiplies what cast time you have left by half.

 

 

Also, for some reason the charms weren't showing up when I played the replay back.

Edited by aikokun, 07 January 2014 - 10:46 AM.

[thatfool]

is it a good idea to dual wielding?

[Facekiller]

yes

[thatfool]

yes

does the refinement of off hands weapon matter?

[Facekiller]

does the refinement of off hands weapon matter?

 

not really... unless for some reason you are going to melee with it... magical melee builds would want to refine off hand but in general its not really needed....
 

[Aedis]

Id like to make this simple: for Magic Kages

 

-if you have 100% reduce cast time from gears alone ,and used 16th Night, there wont be any casting time shown from spells like flaming petals etc, but if you dont have 100% reduce casting time even if 16th Night is used, casting time is still shown period.

 

with 100% reduce

-only Element Charms/Cast/Release Ninja Spell/ Pure Soul is insta casted without 16th night 

-offensive spells has cast time even with 100% reduce cast unless 16th night is used

 

My gears:

 

+12 KK Cod -32%

+12 Faw Sp 7/6/6 -30%

Rwc Pendant dex 3 Sp 3/3 -16%

Rwv Pendant dex 3 Sp 3/3 -16 %

Bazerald Sp 3/4 -18%

 

-112% Dont use Phen card ever

 

Edited by Aedis, 11 January 2014 - 10:07 AM.

[Majikero7]

I'm gonna try my hand at magic ninja again but with the goal of having kunai explosion. How should I distribute stats?

[Facekiller]

im not so sure thats the best idea.... swirling petals sure, ive seen that... but KE has such a small aoe and the damage with magic daggers is quite underwhelming....

[Majikero7]

Ok so how do I distribute the stats to accommodate swirling petal? 

[Facekiller]

100 dex 100 int 100 agi 100 vit and 65ish str... use the huuma for aoe and pick off stragglers with single target magics

[Majikero7]

Are there even enough points for that? I assume that's the base stats or is that total?

[Majikero7]

My hybrid is leveling smoothly. Got level 10 on all basic magic and CSS. All thats left is huuma skills.

 

Now the big questions:

 

Should I go 40str/60dex or all dex?

Should I get 16th night+charms or pure soul first?

Edited by Majikero7, 24 January 2014 - 04:25 PM.

[Facekiller]

i went with pure soul first so i dint have to worry about pots then 16th night then the charms... id go way more dex than str... dex is needed to decrease cast times as well as hit with the huuma... str is just needed for additional damage with huuma and carry capacity really

[aikokun]

Should I get 16th night+charms or pure soul first?

 

When I first changed into Kagerou (magic build), I was leveling one map South of Veins (ve_fild07: 30 Muscipulars, 50 Droseras, 100 Stapos). I opted for Fire Charm with my first point because it sped up killing to OHKO territory and I wasn't needing pots with good positioning. After getting Fire Charm, I went straight for Pure Soul for SP upkeep and then 16th Night.

[Facekiller]

i went to magmarings so they were a bit tougher... needed more SP and HP regen.... but i made like 110 in a couple days then went on to the comodo spotlight... but ill leave it to Aikokun when it comes to pure magic...

[MarshalRDL23]

sorry for the noob question but what does HBP stands for?

[iDaehyun]

sorry for the noob question but what does HBP stands for?

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