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#1 ArdMagi

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:51 AM

I was wondering if adding Sword Mastery increase acid bomb and cart cannon's damage.
Someone pls enlighten me.
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#2 GabbyVio

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 07:18 AM

It shouldn't because Sword Training adds Mastery ATK which doesn't affects skills.
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#3 DrAzzy

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:32 PM

No, it does not.
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Posted 21 October 2013 - 09:01 PM

Necro bump but felt it was important. Yes. the masteries absolutely increases dmg for CC.

After seeing the post above by Dr. Azzy, I decided to reset for no masteries. Dmg dropped like sin. Could hardly break 30k on this week's Moroccs
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Damage without masteries = 26484

(with full Eden buffs / cart boost / uproar / PLUS blessing)

 

Damage with both axe (creator) and sword (gene) masteries = 35521
(same buffs NO blessing)

 

Dealt with same insta-cast gears: +9 CoD / +12 RTE / 766 FAW / RWC pendants

 

Not even in the same league and weapon variance cannot explain this because there was one less buff. I can only safely conclude that the masteries DO indeed increase damage properly (as well they should, since they cost so many points). Spent close to 100m testing this. Not telling people how they should build but these are real-world Chaos numbers, not test server numbers. If you value your points in other skills, don't get these masteries. Just laying out the options as a PSA. *Subject to patch change*


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 03:44 AM

I think Mastery Atk works on CC too. Simply test with Cart Boost. Atk bonus from that skill (+50 Atk at Lv.5) is Mastery Atk since it works on ghost monster, cannot be endowed and %modifier don't work on it (on normal attack). Cart Boost doesn't increase AB dmg at all. but it increase CC dmg significantly.


Edited by Sigma1, 22 October 2013 - 03:47 AM.

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#6 DrAzzy

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 01:54 PM

Indeed it does! I swear I tested it a while back and found that it didn't. 

 

Maybe this changed when the CC formula was adjusted? 

 

-_-, I think I've been giving people bad advice. 


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 03:01 AM

-bump-

does mastery skills also work on AB? not just CC?
planning to spend 15 skillpoints on those if it does


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 03:19 AM

Indeed it does! I swear I tested it a while back and found that it didn't. 

 

Maybe this changed when the CC formula was adjusted? 

 

-_-, I think I've been giving people bad advice. 

My Gene could have been so much more powerful if I had not follow your advice when I started playing. :(


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 03:23 AM

Very elementary testing suggests Axe Mastery still doesn't affect...just Sword Mastery

But that might just be because my HF variance is too large.

^ Someone has a through test on this?


Edited by michaeleeli, 01 November 2013 - 03:23 AM.

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 07:17 AM

now every genes will rush to buy neuralizer  :ani_swt3:


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#11 DrAzzy

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 07:26 AM

Mastery damage ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT EFFECT AB. I used a neuralizer to test this a while back - Either the CC change made mastery effect CC damage, or I didn't actually test it with CC. But I can say with 100% certainty that it does not effect AB. Only CC. 

 

It apparently does effect CC, though. 


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 09:57 AM

Don't need to re-skill to test effect of Mastery Atk on AB. Just use Cart Boost.


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 10:01 AM

Don't need to re-skill to test effect of Mastery Atk on AB. Just use Cart Boost.

 

True. 

 

But I did reskill and test it with AB. And incidentally tested it with boost on and off. Mastery damage does not effect AB. 

 

It apparently does effect CC, which I hadn't actually tested it with, apparently (or it was changed recently). 

 

This changes 2 biochem skill points (that's all you have after getting the essentials) and 5 genetic skill points... x_x


Edited by DrAzzy, 01 November 2013 - 10:11 AM.

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 10:10 AM

i'm a little confused, do both axe and 1hand sword mastery effect CC?

or does only 1hand sword mastery effect CC?


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 11:11 AM

i'm a little confused, do both axe and 1hand sword mastery effect CC?

or does only 1hand sword mastery effect CC?

They both should (both add mastery damage), but it should be tested. 

 

Note that sword training gives 10 mastery atk per level, while axe mastery gives 3. 


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 05:19 PM

so does sword mastery only affects swords? or it affects axes as well?  :p_laugh:


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 05:44 PM

If axes are swords and swords are axes then this world would fall into chaos! No can do.


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 06:08 PM

hahah! anyway so is it worth it to get axe mastery to level 10? since  alot of genes use HF too   :P


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Posted 02 November 2013 - 01:26 AM

The reason I couldn't tell a different with my HF with it is because it adds too little. But you can still go for it =p


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Posted 02 November 2013 - 02:07 PM

:p_omg: S-so mastery atk DOES effect CC? Im currently using a HF and can hit 50k~52k max on large targets+proper element ball....so im wondering does genetic mastery actually effect BOTH sword and axe or just sword? I ask cause Biochem mastery says AXE mastery but i think it effect both? :p_swt:

 

One last thing could a +12 RTE Drake Carded Doublekingbird EA 5 be the best weap? 25% More dmg to small and large +30% range dmg(on top of whatever range dmg you have stacked) and all the resist and the added jazz.


Edited by YangeWenli, 02 November 2013 - 02:29 PM.

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#21 DrAzzy

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 08:41 PM

I think genetic mastery only works on swords. Test it.


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 03:41 PM

well ive resetted my skills to get lvl 10 axe mastery and lvl 5 sword mastery

 

so from my observation, lvl 5 sword mastery DOES increase CC dmg with swords (dmg increment depends on mobs, around 2~6k dmg increase). however, lvl 10 axe mastery doesnt give any noticable increase for my HF :V (maybe it doesnt work? idk)

 

 so maybe ill reset to no axe mastery again hahah


Edited by Darksorrow1234, 03 November 2013 - 04:26 PM.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 08:15 PM

Axe Mastery on Alchemist/Biochemist adds the atk on 1-handed sword as well.

While Geneticist's sword mastery adds atk on 1-handed sword and dagger.

 

This made me come to the conclusion that RTE would be the best weapon for CC

Since it receives the bonus atk from both skill

 

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 07:19 AM

Sword mastery effects CC, Byeo is the pwn sauce for CC due to this. RTE would be OK with 3x AK, but Erdes with pyro beat 3x AS RTE for CC anyways vs large, and you really only need to CC large mvps, besides 1st form beez


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 08:17 AM

That's for specifically MVPing purpose,am i right?As for PVM,is 3x AS RTE better than Erde without Pyro?
Because i have Sera instead of Dieter,and i think the ranged damage bonus from AS card is more easier (cheaper) to obtain than high EA enchants on Erde.


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