There's no need for an injector, you can simply go into your CCC/Nvidia control panel, create a profile for the game and force whatever anti-aliasing/filtering options you want. The problem with doing it is that it also filters all the game's text, which combined with the poor UI (not having transparency scaling of the chat box background, etc) makes some things very difficult to read (much more so than it is without anti-aliasing, which people are already complaining about).
That's a fantastic idea, only it's the first thing that should have been tried, and as far as I can tell, does not work, I've been messing with NVIDIA for days since usually if a game isn't too intense and looks a bit too rough for my liking, I get the AA and AF on to it to clean it up, NVIDIA even apparently knew which Exe to look for when I went to add a profile, but as far as I can tell, the settings did absolutely nothing at all. So it's safe to say right now, it doesn't like NVIDIA.
Which is a real shame because Antialiasing and Anistropic filtering would make the game look pretty damn awesome, the textures are clean, the style is simple and tidy yet good, smooth it out and sharpen it up and you would have a real winner here.
There's no need for an injector, you can simply go into your CCC/Nvidia control panel, create a profile for the game and force whatever anti-aliasing/filtering options you want. The problem with doing it is that it also filters all the game's text, which combined with the poor UI (not having transparency scaling of the chat box background, etc) makes some things very difficult to read (much more so than it is without anti-aliasing, which people are already complaining about).
So there's ZERO solution to fixing the crappy/hard-to-read text with the AA stuff on through NVIDIA??
EDIT: Make sure the exe you're using for your profile is RAG2.EXE. Also, Open up the triggers tab and add aliases for Ro2client.exe and Launcher2.exe
Click the launcher tab and set the launcher setting to custom launcher, then set the custom launcher to RO2client.exe
After all is said and done, I'd restart one last time just to make "sure".
Try launching RadeonPro as administrator, even if it complains about it.
If you had another video xard previously or used a different driver, I'd give Driver sweeper a try just to be sure excess goop of your last driver install is completely wiped.
The above method worked (I didn't have to use Driver Sweeper), thanks. (Also, I uninstalled/deleted RadeonPro and reinstalled it fresh.)
P.S. What values did you use for SweetFX in your screenshots? (I'm also interested in a more crisp, saturated feel, as well as removing the fog.)
Been running sweetfx via radeonpro for a few days now. No crashes so far. I can play so few games without sweetfx now, makes such a huge difference.
Xaeus, mind sharing your RadeonPro+Sweetfx profile? I could use a sample of a working profile to see what I'm doing wrong, because after passing Hackshield, the game shuts down during the black load screen.
Okay, now my RO2 broke. Deleted the profile in RadeonPro with the Sweetfx because of the crashes, but it's still crashing even without the profile set up. Wow....
That's a fantastic idea, only it's the first thing that should have been tried, and as far as I can tell, does not work, I've been messing with NVIDIA for days since usually if a game isn't too intense and looks a bit too rough for my liking, I get the AA and AF on to it to clean it up, NVIDIA even apparently knew which Exe to look for when I went to add a profile, but as far as I can tell, the settings did absolutely nothing at all. So it's safe to say right now, it doesn't like NVIDIA.
Which is a real shame because Antialiasing and Anistropic filtering would make the game look pretty damn awesome, the textures are clean, the style is simple and tidy yet good, smooth it out and sharpen it up and you would have a real winner here.
I had the same problem, you need to apply the Nvidia profile to RAG2.EXE located into <your RO2 folder>/SHIPPING/, and it'll work.
Fixed the hackshield and the crash problem and got the RP + SFX to work.... or so I thought.... Let me sum up what I've done first.
- I've read integrated SweetFX doesn't need injection, so I skipped on putting in dll files into the shipping folder - Enabled SweetFX integration - Designated SweetFX files root location
Visual
- Created the profile using the RAG2.EXE from the shipping folder - Toggled AA -> Override application settings -> Max / No MLAA checked - FXAA off - SMAA Custom Threshold: .2 Max Search Steps: 98 // // Diag: 16 Corner Rounding: 100 - Ambient Occlusion: HBAO Ultra - AA Filter checked -> CFAA - AA Mode checked -> Supersample - Anisotropic Filtering checked -> 16x - Tessellation off - Vertical sync -> Always On
- VSync Control Always On - Triple Buffering checked - Display refresh rate 60Hz - AA Compatibility Force AA Profile -> TES Oblivion
SweetFX
SweetFX Enabled (even in the RP settings) Bloom HDR LumaSharpen Technicolor Cineon DPX Lift Gamma Gain Tonemap Vibrance Curves Sepia Vignette Dither
Launcher
Steam/Origin/? I've also tried Rag2Launcher
So after all these changes were made, I've turned the RP window off, logged into Steam and into RO2, but nothing has changed. Tried toggling SweetFX as well, but nothing either. Been trying to figure out what I've done wrong past couple of days with no results. Can someone tell me if I did anything wrong in my method? Much appreciated.
So after all these changes were made, I've turned the RP window off, logged into Steam and into RO2, but nothing has changed. Tried toggling SweetFX as well, but nothing either. Been trying to figure out what I've done wrong past couple of days with no results. Can someone tell me if I did anything wrong in my method? Much appreciated.
Did you try these steps? They worked for me when nothing I did seemed to work. The alias part and running as administrator are both very important steps.
EDIT: Make sure the exe you're using for your profile is RAG2.EXE. Also, Open up the triggers tab and add aliases for Ro2client.exe and Launcher2.exe
Click the launcher tab and set the launcher setting to custom launcher, then set the custom launcher to RO2client.exe
After all is said and done, I'd restart one last time just to make "sure".
Try launching RadeonPro as administrator, even if it complains about it.
If you had another video xard previously or used a different driver, I'd give Driver sweeper a try just to be sure excess goop of your last driver install is completely wiped.
Update: There really should be no need to use Driver Sweeper, it might cause issues as seen below -- try the steps without resorting to it first.
Bah, problems one after another... So I gave a driver sweeper a go and found several residue Nvidia drivers lingering around, so I've cleaned them up. Rebooted and started the game, now the game is telling me I can't run the game without Nvidia PhysX and I need graphics card other than Nvidia.... What?! Sigh, now I'm beyond lost. Going to try reinstalling my AMD driver and RO2 itself.
Update: Tried running other games and they all run fine, so I don't think the driver needs reinstall, which saves me loads of trouble.
Update: After fixing everything back to normal , I've tried the advices given, but still nothing has changed. I wish I could just see a setting of a working profile so I'd know what I'm doing wrong exactly...
Open RadeonPro, at the top click on "Backup/Restore"
Click "Restore" and navigate to where you saved the file.
Check the setting to restore, and click "Go"
Double-check the RadeonPro settings, I have my SweetFX folder saved in the RadeonPro directory, so in the RadeonPro settings under SweetFX settings I have "Enable SweetFX integration" checked and the root files located in C:\Program Files (x86)\RadeonPro\SweetFX 1.4
Reboot your computer and load up RadeonPro (I suggest running it as Administrator via right-click the shortcut -> select Run as Administrator).
Afterward, try loading RO2 ... Be sure to set a hot key for SweetFX toggle in RadeonPro's settings. (Mine is Delete, so if you import the profile above it might overwrite what you have to that.)
Also note, you have to completely exit RO2 and restart it before any changes you make to settings for SweetFX or other in RadeonPro will apply/work.
P.S. I think when you used Driver Sweeper, you removed Nvidia Physx drivers that RO2 installs, which can still work but run off the processor instead of graphics card if you don't have an Nvidia card., regardless it sounds like you fixed that issue.
Howto install RadeonPro + SweetFX (for AMD video cards) ... Nvidia Users See Below! First off, make sure your AMD drivers are up to date via http://www.amd.com -- select Find a Driver in the top right. Secondly, the below assumes you're using an AMD graphics card on a 64bit installation of Windows. If you can't find C:\Program Files (x86)\ but can find C:\Program Files\ it's 32bit and you should find the referenced directories there.
Extract the contents of the SweetFX archive (SweetFX folder, d3d9.dll, d3d9.fx, dxgi.dll, dxgi.fx, injector.ini, shader.fx, etc) into a folder called SweetFX in your RadeonPro directory (you will have to create it), for example inside of the folder C:\Program Files (x86)\RadeonPro\SweetFX I have a folder called SweetFX, as well as d3d9.dll, etc
Open RadeonPro as Administrator (right click the shortcut, select Run as Administrator, and say "Yes" to the warning)
At the top click on "Settings" (the set of tiny icons to the left of "Global" and "Profile" in the top right.)
Click on the "SweetFX settings" on the left.
Check "Enable SweetFX integration" on the right, and click "Change" to the right of "SweetFX files root location".
Navigate to and select the SweetFX folder, it should be located at C:\Program Files (x86)\RadeonPro\SweetFX -- then click OK.
Set a Toggle SweetFX hotkey, personally I use Delete.
Click Save at the bottom right.
At the top, click on "Add new profile", it's a paper icon with a +, and navigate to and select RAG2.exe -- if you installed via Steam it should be located in C:\program files (x86)\steam\steamapps\common\Ragnarok Online 2\SHIPPING otherwise just right-click on your RO2 shortcut and select "Open file location" to identify where your game is installed.
Click the Triggers tab on the right, click "Add Alias" and navigate to \Ragnarok Online 2\ folder, select "RO2Client.exe", do the same for "Launcher2.exe"
Click the Launcher tab, select "Custom" and click "Browse" underneath "Launcher details" and navigate to \Ragnarok Online 2\ folder, select "RO2Client.exe" Note: This step might be unnecessary.
Click the SweetFX tab, check "Enable SweetFX" and then enable the desired effects. You may also go through the other tabs and configure the settings as desired.
After the above steps have been completed, I suggest rebooting the computer.
Open RadeonPro (run as Administrator), then open RO2 via Steam, or your desktop icon.
Once RO2 has loaded to the login screen, you should be able to hit your hotkey to enable/disable SweetFX (it will briefly state in the top right SweetFX Enabled/Disabled)
Lastly, please be certain to exit RO2 and RadeonPro (bottom right by the system tray, right click, exit) when making changes to RadeonPro/SweetFX -- and always run RadeonPro as administrator (before you open RO2). I suggest exiting and reloading RadeonPro to verify your settings saved anytime you change things.
Troubleshooting:
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Problem: "Needs to be executed thru Updater." Solution: Delete and recreate your RadeonPro profile for RO2. (Also verify you're opening \Ragnarok Online 2\RO2Client.exe)
Problem: I enabled/forced Anti-Aliasing through AMD/Nvidia Control Panel for \Ragnarok Online 2\SHIPPING\Rag2.exe but it doesn't work! Solution: Anti-Aliasing only works this way if you disable Outfocusing, Shadow, and Sunlight -- and even then you may encounter glitches - particularly with zoomed conversations, such as a Kafra. SMAA (on RadeonPro) does not cause this, but SMAA doesn't work for everyone and requires experimenting with quality settings.
Problem: RadeonPro & SweetFX doesn't work! Solution: Please follow the installation/setup instructions carefully. However, you can try deleting the RadeonPro RO2 profile and recreate it. Also it's imperative that you exit RadeonPro via the system tray (by the Windows clock) and always run RadeonPro as Administrator (right-click the program and select run as administrator) and before you launch RO2.
Problem: My SweetFX settings aren't saving // I don't see a difference after changing settings. Solution: Please exit both RO2 & RadeonPro (In the bottom right at the system tray, right click, exit) after making changes, and verify your settings in RadeonPro after reloading (always run RadeonPro as Administrator) -- as it doesn't always save.
Hopefully all is working by this point, in which case enjoy -- just be sure you completely close RO2 & RadeonPro (via the system tray on the bottom right) after making changes to your RadeonPro profile. (Double-check your settings on reload, and be sure you always run RadeonPro as Administrator.) If I missed anything, or anyone has questions regarding the above steps feel free to ask.
Edit: 05/23/2013 - NVIDIA Evidently I was too hasteful while testing Nvidia with Sweetfx via RadeonPro. It DOES work, by installing RadeonPro and only enabling SweetFX in the configuration and profile tab. Just follow the same steps for AMD, except goto http://www.nvidia.com for driver updates. Use either Nvidia Inspector, or Nvidia Control Panel for AF, AA, etc.
Features of RadeonPro confirmed working: FPS Counter, Visual: SMAA (At least it appears to have an effect, predefined settings don't seem to save, you have to enter custom.)
Features of RadeonPro confirmed NOT working: Visual: Anistrophic Filtering (Configure through Nvidia Control Panel or Nvidia Inspector)
Features of SweetFX confirmed working individually: Cartoon, Advanced CRT, Bloom, HDR, LumaSharpen, Technicolor, Cineon DPX, Monochrome, Lift Gamma Gain, Tonemap, Vibrance, Curves, Sepia, Vignette
Features of SweetFX unconfirmed working: Dither (I honestly couldn't tell a difference side by side with it on/off. Maybe dithering doesn't affect my setup.), Border (Doesn't seem to do anything.), Splitscreen (Didn't try it.)
Now, here are screenshots showing the different filters in action... (Note: Some of these look very poor but that's because I toggled that setting to the extreme to make sure it does something, others are barely noticeable as I didn't change it from default. Also, certain filters affect the image quality even when SweetFX is toggled off, keep in mind when trying to make comparison screenshots.)
As far as specific settings go, I've yet to settle on a specific configuration at this time - but I prefer using LumaSharpen, Vibrance, and HDR. Ultimately the best settings depend on what you perceive pretty vs ugly. You will have to go through each individual setting and tweak to taste. However, an excellent example of SweetFX and its options can be observed here. (You won't be using the configuration tool with RadeonPro, but you can use it as a reference to get a better idea/description on what setting does what.)
Bah, problems one after another... So I gave a driver sweeper a go and found several residue Nvidia drivers lingering around, so I've cleaned them up. Rebooted and started the game, now the game is telling me I can't run the game without Nvidia PhysX and I need graphics card other than Nvidia.... What?! Sigh, now I'm beyond lost. Going to try reinstalling my AMD driver and RO2 itself.
Update: Tried running other games and they all run fine, so I don't think the driver needs reinstall, which saves me loads of trouble.
Update: After fixing everything back to normal , I've tried the advices given, but still nothing has changed. I wish I could just see a setting of a working profile so I'd know what I'm doing wrong exactly...
Big error there,while you may use an ATi video card,The game still need the Nvidia Physx Driver to work,so if you cleaned everything named Nvidia in you're drivers,you essencially broke it up right there ;p
Thank you Ansune! It seems to be working now. Now all I have to do is try to tinker around with the settings to see further changes. Strange why only RO2 didn't work out for me like the other games. Most games that accepts external program allowed me to make profiles very easily. But no matter now~~
However, Ansune thanks for your steps for the Radeon Pro Configuration. I was able to the same, but the issue i've been having for weeks is the effects it has on other games.
So If you wouldn't mind, try launching some other games and see how their FPS and quality looks?
Over all, I'm not a real believer in using the Radeon Pro or Nvidia Inspector due to the fact that many of the issues that arrise with GPU's are driver related, which isn't the issue persay. But when looking at time and effort it takes for many (Not speaking for my self here) may feel like it's too much for too little; they shouldn't have to do all of this to make the game look better. That's the reason why I was advocating for the Injections, since it would be prepackaged and easy to configure then run.
However if we can design a prepackaged Radeon Pro or Nvidia Inspector Mods, then (I believe would be able ot offer the easiest way to deploy all of the mods to players and be able for the mods to be somewhat tailored to the system specs due to needing driver updates.
BTW what are the system specs and GPU's is everyone using?
System A
2600k 3.4 GHZ
16GB Ram 1600mhz
6970 AMD 2GB DDR5
System B
8350 FX 4.0 GHZ
8GB Ram 1600mhz
660ti GTX 2GB DDR5
Phenom II X4 960T 3.0Ghz (Still hesitating on OC'ing)
4GB Ram 1600
HD7850 1GB
Time for an upgrade but I'm holding back as I'm working on a hand crafted case at the moment. And... waiting for 690's or 7990's to drop a few bucks lol. Delicious looking cards....
That's a fantastic idea, only it's the first thing that should have been tried, and as far as I can tell, does not work, I've been messing with NVIDIA for days since usually if a game isn't too intense and looks a bit too rough for my liking, I get the AA and AF on to it to clean it up, NVIDIA even apparently knew which Exe to look for when I went to add a profile, but as far as I can tell, the settings did absolutely nothing at all. So it's safe to say right now, it doesn't like NVIDIA.
Which is a real shame because Antialiasing and Anistropic filtering would make the game look pretty damn awesome, the textures are clean, the style is simple and tidy yet good, smooth it out and sharpen it up and you would have a real winner here.
If its not working you're trying to apply it to the wrong exe. It needs to go on the RAG2.exe in your ragnarok/shipping folder.
So there's ZERO solution to fixing the crappy/hard-to-read text with the AA stuff on through NVIDIA??
There's no solution because its not nvidia/amd's fault. There's no anti-aliasing options built into the game engine (which could selectively filter and leave the text alone) so when you force it on it just filters the entire screen space, which includes all text. You could reduce the effect on the text by decreasing the anti-aliasing level, but the game wouldn't look as nice because everything would be filtered less.
why use an injector when both amd/nvidia can do fxaa with from its drivers and it works fine in the game
Depending on your Card and Driver the Catalyst and Nvidia Control Panel wont be able to over ride the applications graphical settings. Which is why both manufactures have released applications to assit with this common issue. In many cases running an injection places less stress on GPU resources to create a more immersive and seamless experience.
In many games when running a AA Mod (for example) would only lower your FPS by 3 to 10 frames compared to 20+.
It's the reason why Skyrim has so many Mods (aka injections), compared to the using the Radeon Pro/Nvidia Inspector to assist with the rendering.
The entire project rests on the idea that using injection to assit with rendering is better rather than placing the entire load on the GPU. With many players sitting on a entry level gaming card and system resources it would be silly to expect every player to push that load to their GPU.
In addition the Injections are easier to deploy, and enable and disable during game play; however with Hackshield, players would have to run SweetFX and ENB through their respective manufactures software.
Depending on your Card and Driver the Catalyst and Nvidia Control Panel wont be able to over ride the applications graphical settings. Which is why both manufactures have released applications to assit with this common issue. In many cases running an injection places less stress on GPU resources to create a more immersive and seamless experience.
In many games when running a AA Mod (for example) would only lower your FPS by 3 to 10 frames compared to 20+.
It's the reason why Skyrim has so many Mods (aka injections), compared to the using the Radeon Pro/Nvidia Inspector to assist with the rendering.
The entire project rests on the idea that using injection to assit with rendering is better rather than placing the entire load on the GPU. With many players sitting on a entry level gaming card and system resources it would be silly to expect every player to push that load to their GPU.
In addition the Injections are easier to deploy, and enable and disable during game play; however with Hackshield, players would have to run SweetFX and ENB through their respective manufactures software.
The load goes to the gpu either way... That and this game engine is about as old as the requiem engine which would work fine of 5+ year pc to begin with. All those injectors are puting the load on the gpu and they tend to tigger such hack sheild which is why using the built in FXAA in the drivers which the last 5 generations of gpu support.
No overriding involved no nvidia inspector .Add Ro2.exe to Nvidia profile leave AA as App controled and tick FXAA and done. and you have working AA.That and Nvidia CP is perfectly cabable of overring in game settings, as I can Force AF and AA in this game its just actuall AA that isnt FXAA screw up the textures in this game among other issues. Forcing Setting threw CP for this game work fine so long as you added a profile for the game.
All injectors and stuff is adding and or chaging stuff the game to make it look better then what the old engine is capable of which put more of strain then just use FXAA and chances are if you doing that you have pc that is competele over kill for this game engine so resources is not an issue
Besides most all MMO are cpu dependent you want as much of that load as you can get on the gpu and the cpu the more people on the screen the more cpu power you gona need.
Then there are people like me, that actually enjoy the unique filters provided by SweetFX that aren't exactly available through AMD or Nvidia. On my laptop, Radeon Pro + SweetFX works just fine (no errors, no FPS loss) with the method it uses. On my desktop, which hosts an Nvidia GTX 670, Nvidia Inspector/Control Panel and SweetFX (standalone) don't really help with the effect I desire due to SweetFX giving HackShield errors. Has there been any progress on this issue?
I really don't know about this kind of stuff. However I'm getting really tired of seeing this kind of stuff in game (notice the tree to the left side):
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And why are other player characters so bright when I mouse over them:
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These are my in game settings, yeah, and the trees in the distance:
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My machine:
AMD Phenom II X6 1045T 2.7GHz, 8GB RAM, WindowsUlt 7 64bit, GeForce GT520 (1GB of DDR3 memory on that), HP 2011x wide LCD monitor, res set at 16:9 native
At this point, I have it set to "Let Application Decide" on the first screen of the NVidia control panel. I've tried making a profile for it, but really didn't see much difference. But, to be honest, I've no clue what to set things at, what to turn on/off, multi or super, should PhysX be set to auto, cpu or video card...
I know this is not a "help me" thread per say; but after reading, and re-reading this thread, I'm at a loss at what to do.
The load goes to the gpu either way... That and this game engine is about as old as the requiem engine which would work fine of 5+ year pc to begin with. All those injectors are puting the load on the gpu and they tend to tigger such hack sheild which is why using the built in FXAA in the drivers which the last 5 generations of gpu support.
That is a nice theory of why it tiggers hacksheild however it is incorrect. The reason why it's triggered is the same reason why some MMO and MOBA designed Keyboards and Mice have issues assigning the skills and attacks to the buttons... its because the DLL's aren't recognized.
No overriding involved no nvidia inspector .Add Ro2.exe to Nvidia profile leave AA as App controled and tick FXAA and done. and you have working AA.That and Nvidia CP is perfectly cabable of overring in game settings, as I can Force AF and AA in this game its just actuall AA that isnt FXAA screw up the textures in this game among other issues. Forcing Setting threw CP for this game work fine so long as you added a profile for the game.
I think you missed my point of "that doesn't seem to be working for everyone and seems to be causing issues when launching other games.
All injectors and stuff is adding and or chaging stuff the game to make it look better then what the old engine is capable of which put more of strain then just use FXAA and chances are if you doing that you have pc that is competele over kill for this game engine so resources is not an issue
They dont and is completelycontradictory of what real world tests using SweetFx was for Crysis 2, Crysis 3, Metro 2033, Skyrim and many more. Please run the Mod on your other games and see the performance for your self.
By the way the engin used for RO2 LOTS is the same they use for RIFT. Both games were published in 2011.
Please keep in mind we're only running either 1 or 2 (ENBLightning)mods, not 18 like seen in the Linus Tek Tips Bench Mark for Skyrim.
Besides most all MMO are cpu dependent you want as much of that load as you can get on the gpu and the cpu the more people on the screen the more cpu power you gona need.
Can you please cite a source? There seems to be a huge difference in what bench marks and preferred system requirements are listing and what you're stipulating to; ie a noticeable difference in running a Core I3 2100 compared to a Core i5 2400. When the game needs to render graphics it rests mostly on the GPU (Screen Resolution, Settings and Available GPU Ram) the processor assists with the ability to process the information as would upgrading from a HDD to a SSD. However the bottle neck with MMO's is the Internet Connection and NIC settings. The Tek actually covered this a few weeks ago and I'm currently looking for the video.
Your stance is interesting, and keeps us grounded in the ideas that the project here isn't the preverbal sliver bullet, high lights our ability to think creatively and work towards a great game we all love and enjoy.
@Ansune, I have made some head way, but It's effecting other games like I've said above in a previous post, but I should have something put together for Nvidia Users soon I just need time to test everything more intensively.
Alright, I'm eagerly awaiting your conclusion/methods.
I posted this over at the RadeonPro forums about making an Nvidia version/standalone version of its SweetFX implementation, but the developer said its already been requested a few times and can't do it because of time constraints.
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