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#1 MikageD

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:40 AM

Hi i recently reseted to tiger cannon build and had some questions.....first no matter what lvl of fallen empire the bonus for tiger cannon and Rakshasa Phoenix Destruction Fist(Gate of hell :P) is always the same? Second tiger cannon is increased with racial and size mod card right?Or rather what card type increase it most?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:22 PM

The bonus to tiger cannon is always the same, no matter what level Fallen Empire/Dragon Combo you use.

Tiger Cannon is a physical melee attack, that can be modified by % atk cards. So cards like hydra/skel worker/abysmal knight all work with it, while Archer Skeleton does nothing for it.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:23 PM

Racial and size mods do work. elemental cards only work for a portion of the damage.

as far as I know, fallen empire level does not affect the damage of tiger cannon or GoH
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 06:49 AM

Elemental cards work the same as racial cards O_O
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:12 AM

Elemental cards work the same as racial cards O_O


I dont think elemental cards affect the HP/SP part of Tiger cannon. I can be mistaken though.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:36 AM

Neither do the other cards then. The only type of cards that affect the whole damage are like +% ranged damage.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:37 AM

then I'd need to do some testing. when/if Im bothered to do so -_-
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

Tiger cannon is 99% HP/SP based. There's like an additional 8k damage based on your level and the target's level or whatever. Other than that, the formula itself is basically just [(hp + sp) / 4] with some extra constants.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:37 AM

Tiger cannon gets additional damage bonus when chained in a combo. It's just hard to execute if you're not set to auto-attack (/nc)

As for GOH, the only benefit of chaining it is the reduced consumption of sp, which doesn't really matter if you have a lot of sp pots. And besides, a full sp is already enough to launch 3 consecutive GOH, which already makes you out of spheres to launch a fourth one. In other words, you're already out of spheres before you can are even out of sp.

i know the remaining sp will not be enough for a fourth GOH (assuming you still got extra 5 sphere that magically appeared), but it's enough to do other things to cast zen or snap away out of enemies.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:16 AM

GT energy gain. when you're taking damage the spheres also regen. so spamming GoH is possible if you're capable of keeping your SP up.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:36 AM

Neither do the other cards then. The only type of cards that affect the whole damage are like +% ranged damage.



O-O?So best card is actually archer skel orrrr?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:54 AM

Not for tiger cannon it's short ranged, I was just saying it affects the whole damage not just a portion of the atk.
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:34 AM

then Im not so sure anymore about how the cards work on tiger cannon. will post my findings if I tested something~
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:57 AM

Not for tiger cannon it's short ranged, I was just saying it affects the whole damage not just a portion of the atk.


Ah i see

then Im not so sure anymore about how the cards work on tiger cannon. will post my findings if I tested something~



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Edited by MikageD, 07 May 2013 - 09:59 AM.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:53 PM

definitely racial works on it (confirmed with a kvm mace).

But I agree on the others that AS card doesn't boost TC damage since the skill is not even ranged.
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:29 AM

Tiger cannon gets additional damage bonus when chained in a combo. It's just hard to execute if you're not set to auto-attack (/nc)

Having it set to auto-attack doesn't make it any easier. Having it NOT on auto attack lets you switch targets extremely easily, actually.

Tiger cannon gets additional damage bonus when chained in a combo. It's just hard to execute if you're not set to auto-attack (/nc)

As for GOH, the only benefit of chaining it is the reduced consumption of sp, which doesn't really matter if you have a lot of sp pots. And besides, a full sp is already enough to launch 3 consecutive GOH, which already makes you out of spheres to launch a fourth one. In other words, you're already out of spheres before you can are even out of sp.

The % modifier part of GoH is almost doubled if used in the combo. The hp lost part remains the same.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 01:11 PM

@Tofu what lvl of tiger cannon is that?

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:47 PM

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