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[AtmaDarkwolf]

It has come to our attention that you have posted on a thread that has been dead for 9 months. This is necroing and against the rules of the forums. As required, I have hidden your post and request that you do not do it again. if you would like to make a new thread in the RO1 section, feel free to do so but I cannot guarantee it will be well received.

 

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Superold reply, but it still stands, as it did YEARS ago. They CAN get rid of bots, but WILL NOT. Not only is it too much effort, there is the slight, off chance, that they accedently snag an innocent (Which is hardly a big chance to be honest, and like they care, I've seen peopel way WAY back when i first played almost 10 years ago, who got banned for lipping off the gm.. a account deleted type ban, just for telling the gm off)

 

They will not because lets face it, people PLAY anyways, and those botting 'sell' the zeny which somehow brings in more, each botter makes the population look larger and 'more robust'

 

If I was a GM, i'd spend my 'work day' going around and utterly deleting botters accounts. Screw the ones spamming chat in pront, just leave them(Muted) for a few days, once you get rid of the ones PRODUCING the economy destroying items (IE stems, etc) the others will dry up. Don't ban them for a day, don't sit and listen to complaining, watch what emails are used to register, and start limiting accounts to capcha traps, etc.

 

Honestly, if they had spent 1/4 of each GM's daily routine, and stagger it so they did bot cleanups all day, any time of day, we would not be here today.

 

Now for the type who likes to state how bots improve the game, keep economy alive, etc, well your just plain wrong. Each and every item sold by a botter reduces the total value of said type of item that a noob might need to sell, reduce his intake, reduce the speed he gets to 'enjoy the game' and, in a roundabout way, encourage him to buy from the same botters who caused him to have to work more for less.

 

Bots ruin every game, and its simply because GM's don't see being a GM as a job. If they did, they would DO THEIR JOB during thier shifts. They do not. Not in RO. Not for over 10 years. They SAY they 'are trying' to keep the pop down, but I can 'say' Im working hard and mash a keyboard with my foot while im playing my psp   SAYING you work hard is not doing it. Give me a GM job for a day and i'd decimate the botters population. Trust me.

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If your heart can handle the shock (ROFL)

[michaeleeli]

As Halloween is approaching, you must not feed to the power of Necromancy, or the mighty Necromancer may come and invade our beloved cities...

 

In fact, those bots are zombie puppets controlled by the Necromancer. By doing these vile practices you are just increasing its power. 

 

Let us just coward in fear as the darkest of nights is approaching...

[Alichi]

Bots are indeed a threat on RO economy, but dont saying that GM not doing their job properly. They did ban Bots. Are you thinking GM job only handle bots ? They have much more to do other than that. And, are you thinking becoming a GM is easy ? Its just same like this, Most people want to  be a president of a country or thinking that they could do better job  if they are becoming the president himself, but when it comes true, they just saying "i thought becoming a president and rule the country is easy, but i just noticed its hard." Thats my opinion though. So please respect the GM, support them, and stop flaming them.

[GuardianTK]

If you think a GM's job is to solely ban bots, you are sadly mistaken. Especially when they have to work on every title in the company and not just this one. Good luck! Just remember that you have to perform an investigation into a bot's history. Can't just ban a character that's been reported on the spot and not expect for there to be false or ill-intent reports.

[azumak1]

I have heard before that it is against the Terms of Service for GMs to blindly ban bots that haven't been reported by players, as per kRO dictation. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

 

Either way, reposting something that's been deleted or locked away generally doesn't turn out well, lul.

[Viri]

If it hasn't been reported odds are they won't even look at it.

[DrAzzy]

The problem was not the content of what you posted (though I don't think it would lead to a particularly productive thread), but that you posted it in a thread which had been dead for 9 months, which is contrary to forum norms. 

 

When a thread has been dead for ages, bumping it creates confusion for other players, as posts may refer to things that were happening months ago as if they are current. It confuses people because they assume that a non-pinned thread is vaguely recent - how often do you read the dates of the posts prior to the most recent post in a thread? Most people don't seem to do so. So to prevent confusion, we ask that people avoid 'necroing' old threads - particularly with provocative posts that get people all riled up, because then they're even less likely to check dates.  

[Quetzacoatl]

[AtmaDarkwolf]

While I do agree with necroing threads, in this case, the situation is as it was, no change.

 

And what kind of rule would it be that they CANNOT take action upon a bot unless its reported first? Thats just utter bull and an excuse 'not' to do work. Being that it says in Terms of Service that, what it boils down to, is THEY RESERVE THE RIGHT TO DO AS THEY WILL TO ACCOUNTS: IE, anything and everything is 'owned' by gravity, and if they deem a botter is 'breaking the rules' they can utterly delete that account and, if they choose, could also delete each and every account that has traded with said bot. Its their right(This is extreme example, but its STILL inside thier legal right.)

 

I feel that with the sheer mass of bots running around(Oh common, u want us to report that mob of 15 identical thief characters who follow the exact same path, who all attack the same mob in ant hell, how about the bloody swarm of bots north of geff, I mean REALLY? u want us to do YOUR job for you? No.)

 

And as far as being a GM is concerned, it IS AS EASY as that. What ties them down? 'rules' as in they have to do what the head GM decides. Rease the chokehold for a day, and let GM's go and 'judge and execute' for a day on the bots, Sure, take out all the 'low end' suspects first(IE those running easily gained bots with eden gear, or npc stuff) then move onto those 'brave' players who bot their 'geard' characters, and move up teh chain. Eventually those will catch on and people will stop before they lose a character of worth.

 

Do it enough, without silly constraits about if it will cause wah wah's on the forums, and you will starve the zeny sellers out so that even THEY will just simply vanish(Without proceeds, they cannot continue)

 

All I see now is the ONLY actions taken is a GM will mute the novices running up and down pront avenue and nothing else, 15 min later a new novice starts the trip anyways.

 

Honestly the players have to stop assuming its 'a hard job' or assuming that 'nothing can be done, stomp one one, and 2 more appear' atttiude. You have a roach infestation, time to call the exterminators.

[meowington]

They shoulda made it harder for novices to get out of the training grounds, not make new izlude. Like you have to solve a puzzle or something to leave something only a real player could do.

 

As it stands its easy as hell for bots to just come back over and over... there is little point in getting them banned.

 

and Asura obviously loves the bots, hence his response.

[ShinobiEX3]

Shut up and play the game and stop worrying about the economy and . Stop being philosophical, it's just a game. If you have problems that you can't deal with just Control Panel>Uninstall> Ragnarok Online and continue playing Hello Kitty in Wonderland.

 

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  well thats what i would like to say but meh lol ^ Bot

[Quetzacoatl]

Shut up and play the game and stop worrying about the economy and . Stop being philosophical, it's just a game. If you have problems that you can't deal with just Control Panel>Uninstall> Ragnarok Online and continue playing Hello Kitty in Wonderland.

 

 

 

 

 

[Tkwan]

They shoulda made it harder for novices to get out of the training grounds, not make new izlude. Like you have to solve a puzzle or something to leave something only a real player could do.

 

As it stands its easy as hell for bots to just come back over and over... there is little point in getting them banned.

 

and Asura obviously loves the bots, hence his response.

 

They did that because kRO doesn't have issues with bots like we do. Each account is tied to a korean SSN over there, so they can't just make bots so easily and freely like they can here.

 

It didn't hurt to get a novice grounds update, however some foresight into the entry of level <10 into pront and eden in our server would have been ideal, but we all know kRO doesn't give a rats tush about iRO outside of the revenue we provide.

[meowington]

Yeah, the koreans won't ever have our botting issues for that very reason.

 

I'm not a real fan of the new area. But I'm biased because after 10 years, it just feels awkward to me to change it. :shrug:

[AsurABl00d]

They shoulda made it harder for novices to get out of the training grounds, not make new izlude. Like you have to solve a puzzle or something to leave something only a real player could do.

 

As it stands its easy as hell for bots to just come back over and over... there is little point in getting them banned.

 

and Asura obviously loves the bots, hence his response.

 

They really don't affect my game play, so I don't see any reason for me to complaint about them. About loving them, YES you caught me. I take them to the Inn and make love all night long.

[Xellie]

They really don't affect my game play, so I don't see any reason for me to complaint about them. About loving them, YES you caught me. I take them to the Inn and make love all night long.

 

They affect my gameplay, I have to play vs them competitively in terms of supplies they provide their guildmembers.

 

Actually pretty much everything everyone does affects someones gameplay somehow. Unless they never vend and never join a party or guild.
 

[Baturiano]

but but who will supply our straws?

[T3chnowitch]

but but who will supply our straws?

 

10k per hour and I will.  I have a lot of time on my hands and I find the act of grinding and farming to be strangely soothing.

[Baturiano]

10k per hour and I will.  I have a lot of time on my hands and I find the act of grinding and farming to be strangely soothing.

 

I'm intrigued even though our guild doesnt use straws, you can supply 30k straws every woe? There are also other things, rune mats, potting mats, food mats etc

[ReshiramFlare]

The thanks ticket vending machine in Valkyrie realm is pretty nice for food mats without feeding bots.~

 

L> more ferus mid ti for straws

[T3chnowitch]

I'm intrigued even though our guild doesnt use straws, you can supply 30k straws every woe? There are also other things, rune mats, potting mats, food mats etc

 

30k is a bit much for me, since I'm doing everything manually and usually without gums or VIP, but I can supply smaller stacks for individual use.  I can farm other stuff as well, with the same limitations.

[Facekiller]

oh no... people actually having to farm their own supplies? THE HORROR!!!... even without bots supply farming isnt that hard... set up a reasonably priced buy shop and let all the low level players supply em for you... i have spent 2 days trying to farm a scaraba card and having to compete for kills vs a Ranger bot.... the only advantage i have is its poorly programmed and will stop and try to ill my clones leaving the real monsters for me to kill...

[AtmaDarkwolf]

Biggest help to 'new' players, or even just those leveling up a new toon, is to supply stems, spores, etc to woe guilds. Its how we did it back in the day(And yes even then bots were clusterfraking an area so it was difficult for 'real' people to play)

 

But really, even games that set up a facebook login have pretty much reduced bots down to 'a sweatshop full of people in third world country grinding stuff for a buck an hour' but at least its STILL REAL PEOPLE.

[Hrothmund]

They affect my gameplay, I have to play vs them competitively in terms of supplies they provide their guildmembers.

 

Actually pretty much everything everyone does affects someones gameplay somehow. Unless they never vend and never join a party or guild.
 

hey stop taking my kills youuuuuu anti-social player you!!! *shakes grampa cane*

[Kieri]

30k is a bit much for me, since I'm doing everything manually and usually without gums or VIP, but I can supply smaller stacks for individual use.  I can farm other stuff as well, with the same limitations.

If you farmed strawberries for me I would buy idk what your price is per straw tho :L