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#101 Havenn

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 10:12 AM

I uhh, have had some insanely awesome results. 


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Posted 06 June 2014 - 10:41 AM

Has anyone tested to see if Temporal Dex boots turns Acid bomb with sacrament into 0 cast time or is it 0.25 seconds? It's one or the other but I don't want to reset my gen to crappy 120 dex if it isn't insta cast haha. Any Information is appreciated.

 

Acid bomb has 1second fixed cast time so it won't be instant only 0.25. However with a Fenrir MVP card it is possible to reduce it to 0.125s which is pretty much instant.


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Posted 06 June 2014 - 10:45 AM

That is my dream card once it comes out =p, been eyeing that thing on other database forever XD


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Posted 06 June 2014 - 10:58 AM

Haha yeah its really nice free perma dance with wargs and its mid headgearable :P Slotted BDM with Fenrir haha


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#105 WeissCeres

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 01:42 AM

whats a good stats for 120 dex then?


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Posted 08 June 2014 - 01:09 AM

Why don't I see any Gen build with AGI? I love speedy builds and dodge attacks. It's so absolutely insanity hard for me to solo pvm when i cannot dodge anything :/


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Posted 08 June 2014 - 01:45 AM

genetic should be end game material

 

mvps can have deadly mobs and agi wont help you (e.g. fallen bishop)

 

strongest skills for genetic include cart cannon and acid demonstration, non of which agi are useful

 

dodging mvps may not work in your favour if someone else has same attack prowess as you but is tanking and you aint

 

so agi is -_- for genetic

 

leveling for genetic is a bit pot dependant, but mobbing and loot quite often make up for it, with hunterfly and rideword hats


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Posted 08 June 2014 - 12:45 PM

What would a good stat build with 120 dex look like?


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Posted 08 June 2014 - 04:00 PM

I uhh, have had some insanely awesome results. 

 

Please elaborate, boss :P


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 11:20 AM

Why don't I see any Gen build with AGI? I love speedy builds and dodge attacks. It's so absolutely insanity hard for me to solo pvm when i cannot dodge anything :/

Because ineffective builds are beyond the scope of this guide. Agi is of little to no utility for a genetic in any arena of gameplay. 

 

You can't rely on it for dodging, because flee is reduced by mobs, and you can't level far as third job without mobbing - and besides, your leveling skill is an AoE. 

 

You don't need the attack speed - gen is a skill-based class. 

 

And if you DO want aspd and dodge, just make an eira, and overboost will fix your aspd at 189 and flee at 500, regardless of your agi. 

 

So what good is the agi?


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Posted 09 June 2014 - 11:43 AM

Easy guys, you've proved me good that AGI is useless for Gen -_- umm thanks


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Posted 10 June 2014 - 01:11 PM

Question.

 

What would be minimum gears and level to leveling decently in Scaraba Hall?


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 04:35 AM

A bit of agi does help for very specific insta cast CC oriented Genetic, who has bragi to support for mvp/ET/bb runs. anything beyond 175 aspd is waste though. Amount of agi should be calculated after speed pots agi ups and all other stuff.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:59 AM

thx for the infos


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:30 PM

So If I have the equipment to get get 100%+ cast reduction then is there a point for dex at all on a bomb gene? or is Int / Str gear better after 100% cast reduc. from items?


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:58 PM

Uh, % cast time gear doesn't make a difference for bomb, because bomb is all fixed cast. Dex doesn't really matter for bombing at all, except insofar as it effects damage.

 

% cast time gear is great for CC though, and if you go 100% cast reduc, there's no use for dex (except a very small amount, of course, due to it's small impact on damage). See the FAW CC optimized build above with the warning about cast time reduc. 

 

 

Note: Some people have discussed going 120 dex on bomber gen to get the -0.5 sec fixed cast time from temporal dex boots. The general consensus in these discussions is that this it's not worth it.


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Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:39 AM

Uh, % cast time gear doesn't make a difference for bomb, because bomb is all fixed cast. Dex doesn't really matter for bombing at all, except insofar as it effects damage.

 

% cast time gear is great for CC though, and if you go 100% cast reduc, there's no use for dex (except a very small amount, of course, due to it's small impact on damage). See the FAW CC optimized build above with the warning about cast time reduc. 

 

 

Note: Some people have discussed going 120 dex on bomber gen to get the -0.5 sec fixed cast time from temporal dex boots. The general consensus in these discussions is that this it's not worth it.

 

Azzy, I read through your builds. Thank you for posting your findings as it is of great help.

 

I am building a gen, mainly for MVPing.

 

From my understanding, CC is used for clearing a large number of mobs while AB is used to kill the main MVP. Am I right?

 

I have a +9 FAW and a HBP. Which one should I go for maximum damage? I assume for AB, the FAW should have spell enchants.

 

I read a few pages that someone asked the same question as I did, but it wasn't answered.


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Posted 29 July 2014 - 05:23 AM

^for maximum damage AB go faw with max expert archer enchants.

Spell enchants are mainly used to reduce CC cast time.

AB is ur main killing skill for non ghost mvps.

CC is ur main killing skill for ghost mvps.
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Posted 29 July 2014 - 06:25 AM

^for maximum damage AB go faw with max expert archer enchants.

Spell enchants are mainly used to reduce CC cast time.

AB is ur main killing skill for non ghost mvps.

CC is ur main killing skill for ghost mvps.

 

Thank you very much.

 

btw, managed to level my GX to 150 thanks to you. Now making another char :D

 

So anyways, I would still need both types of FAW as both sets of skills (AB and CC) would be used according to different MVPs right?

 

I traded some stuff for a +9 Faw SP18 earlier today. Once I reach an appropriate level, I shall aim for a +9 Faw with max EA.


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 08:54 PM

 

Almost-insta-CC (with RTE w/out enchant):

+12 KK CoD (-33% cast) - yup, +12.

2x RWC Pendant (-32% cast), KBC if you can afford it

+9 FAW [Spell x3] (-30% cast)

Your choice of weapon - you don't need for cast with this build

Miyabi Doll pet (-3%)

 

97% cast reduc. Naturally, a +15 KK CoD would get you 100% cast reduc. Trying to figure out ways to get that last 3%.

 

 

Thx DrAzzy

 

what about Temporal Boots :)

 

that will change things, isn't it ?

 

Temporal int Boots can give spell 5 

 


Edited by f7up, 31 July 2014 - 08:55 PM.

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 04:36 AM

 

Thx DrAzzy

 

what about Temporal Boots :)

 

that will change things, isn't it ?

 

Temporal int Boots can give spell 5 

 

 

What about Temporal Str Boot Spell5?
 


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 03:00 AM

Hello! this may have been asked before but is it good if I just wait to be a geneticist before leveling my Homunculus or no? Are they really required for MVPing?

 

Thanks guys for your answers!  :thx:


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 11:58 AM

Hello! this may have been asked before but is it good if I just wait to be a geneticist before leveling my Homunculus or no? Are they really required for MVPing?

 

Thanks guys for your answers!  :thx:

Doesn't matter when you start leveling your homun - but it's level doesn't reset when you change to genetic, so why not start sooner rather than later? At the very least, you should start loyaling it if you're often at home and near comp but not actively playing that char (I would set 60 minute timer on phone, and then every time it went off, go feed homun until hunger > 75 and reset the timer). Loyaling takes forever.

 

They are not required for MVPing - but they certainly help. Dieter will boost damage dramatically, while Sera will make tanking much easier (sera also makes leveling much easier for the same reason). 


Edited by DrAzzy, 06 August 2014 - 11:59 AM.

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Posted 24 August 2014 - 12:21 AM

Is there any need for phen/orleans when i manage to get instant cast cc?

If not what would be a good Armor? If i don't have bryn. 3Str enchanted valk or diabolus (porcellio carded)
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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:39 PM

Well it looks like you've found that 3% casting necessary for your last CC 100% reduction set. (The new Magic Shadow items if refined high enough)


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