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#1 EdwinKuswanto

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 02:03 AM

Sending bot report:

>GM receive bot report.

>Gm checking the botter.

>Ban Characters.

>Ban IP.

>disable any IP change program (Example Ultrasurf).

 

To make an account:

•Need your cell phone phone number for code verification.

or

•only Gmail (because to create an Goggle account you need phone number).

 

The only solution if you got banned is:

•Change your current phone number (It cost a lot of money). :gg:

•Buy a lot of sim cards.


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#2 Sapphic

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 02:07 AM

So I could just use any scrub's phone number and if they somehow coincidentally want to play later they can't lol?

 

What if I want multiple accounts and I have one phone?


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#3 EdwinKuswanto

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 02:13 AM

So I could just use any scrub's phone number and if they somehow coincidentally want to play later they can't lol?

 

What if I want multiple accounts and I have one phone?

 

>Your current phone number is 12345

>Make an account with phone number 67890

>67890 get a automate phone call

>It said A...1...B...7...9....C

>How you know the code verification above?.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 02:13 AM

 

>disable any IP change program (Example Ultrasurf).

 

lol

good luck with this


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#5 EdwinKuswanto

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 03:15 AM

Example:

 

>Create an account to play IRO.

>put my phone number.

>Use G-mail account.

>G-Mail >>> Inbox >>> link to code verification pages

>In the link verification page >>> click Send the code verification

>Get a automate phone call from Warppotal >>> get the code verification

>Put the code verification code in the verification pages

>Account activated.

>Play (Your current IP detected).

 

Got banned?

>Create an account to play IRO again.

>Put my new phone number (cell phone/sim card).

>Use new G-Mail account.

>G-Mail >>> Inbox >>> link to code verification pages.

>In the link verification page >>> click Send the code verification.

>Get a automate phone call from Warppotal >>> get the code verification.

>Put the code verification code in the verification pages.

>Account activated.

>Play.

>3 minute later.

>DC.

>relog.

>Your account got banned. (same IP detected).

 

Using IP changer software?

It depend, If you never use bot program and never get banned for it you can use/change "Different" IP as much as you want.

All the ip received (Warpportal database) is black listed.

 

So if your current IP when you make an account is 123.456.7.8 (not using IP changer software), and you play normally like a pro you will never get trouble.

 

If you use IP changer software from the beginning when you make an account, no need to wait more longer than 3min your account will get banned without any reason.(because some one already used it)

 

>Someone use bot program with ip (111.111.1.1)

>got banned

>Make a new account + New sim cards + new G-mail account

>Account activated

>Play

>IP detected (111.111.1.1)

>Instant ban

 

>Someone use bot program with ip (111.111.1.2).

>got banned

>Make a new account + New sim cards + new G-mail account.

>Account activated.

>IP changer activated (111.111.1.2 become 111.111.1.3).

>Play.

>IP detected (111.111.1.3).

>Someone already use it "for illegal program".

>Instant ban

 

Every single IP changer program had their own IP.

 

Example:

IPchanger software A IP number is (111.111.1.3)
IPchanger software B IP number is (111.111.1.4)
IPchanger software C IP number is (111.111.1.5)
IPchanger software D IP number is (111.111.1.6)
IPchanger software E IP number is (111.111.1.7)
IPchanger software F IP number is (111.111.1.8)
IPchanger software G IP number is (111.111.1.9)
IPchanger software H IP number is (111.111.1.0)
IPchanger software I  IP number is (111.111.2.1)
IPchanger software J IP number is (111.111.2.2)

 

note for botters scum:

So if you using IP changer, you will simply got banned immediately after you in game login.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 03:43 AM

uh, so basically i can't play? since i use dynamic ip and it changes A LOT. i need it to keep my internet up or else i'm pooped
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Posted 21 February 2014 - 04:24 AM

uh, so basically i can't play? since i use dynamic ip and it changes A LOT. i need it to keep my internet up or else i'm pooped

Of course not, If you "Never use illegal Program" you will have no problem to keep playing even with different IP

 

•1 current IP = 1 ID

•Every single IP ever used for botting is black listed by Warpportal database.

•Every single ID ever used those black listed IP = Permanent ban with out any reason needed.

 

In your case. if your IP can change it self without using "IP Changer Software" as long as you not using illegal program (bot) you have nothing to worry.

 

Example:

Lets say you capable to change your IP without any IP changer software, you still lost your account (banned) because using illegal program (bot).

 

Creating multiple account (Takos farming ban case):

http://forums.warppo...-random-banned/

 

Warpportal will temporary ban your account and temporary blacklisted your IP, until you can prove you had a warnet/caffenet.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 04:25 AM

Dynamic IP and phone number, I don't use US number. I don't thin WP can handle checking cell phone numbers from all over the world like google does.

 

And.. Does that mean I have to be banned first and have to prove I didn't bot, just because I happened to use dynamic IP? What is this? 4chan?

 

Come to think about it, I was banned for no reason before because apparently my IP happened to jump into a botter's IP. I don't think your suggestion will work, they already did that and not really effective


Edited by kucingila, 21 February 2014 - 04:36 AM.

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#9 EdwinKuswanto

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 04:50 AM

Dynamic IP and phone number, I don't use US number. I don't thin WP can handle checking cell phone numbers from all over the world like google does.

That why I said "GM not doing their job/works".

 

And.. Does that mean I have to be banned first and have to prove I didn't bot, just because I happened to use dynamic IP? What is this? 4chan?

Its all for improve servicing purpose:

•less player (Pro Only).

or

•Crap server with ton of bots only play in it.

 

Case1

>You play on a cafe.

>Cafe owner using or allow the user to use illegal program (bot)

>You will not get banned but, you cant login on those cafe because those cafe using black listed IP.

 

Solution:

•Move to another cafe.

 

Note:

•Kind of cafe like I mentioning above will no last longer.

 

case2

>You play on a cafe.

>There is 5 people play IRO (A,B,C,D,E)

>1 of them using illegal program ( B )

>There must be someone anon reporting bot (Z)

>lets said B get caught for botting and get reported.

>B account get banned

>Based on IP used by B = Black listed

>A,C,D,E safe

 

Note:

•By playing in cafe you are indirectly agree you had a chance to get hacked, hacked or banned same things.


Edited by EdwinKuswanto, 21 February 2014 - 05:08 AM.

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 05:00 AM

.... I can only say... You don't know how business woks.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 05:15 AM

IP-restriction would be very bad, since many providers assign dynamic IPs and there might me some people that play from different locations.

 

Checking your Identity for a Warp Portal account with your phone would be viable, but its not for free. Warp Portal would have to pay for international calls for every account.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 05:29 AM

IP-restriction would be very bad, since many providers assign dynamic IPs and there might me some people that play from different locations.

You will not get >banned as long as you not using illegal program. that is the most important thing you should to know, If you using illegal program your >IRO accounts is ruined.

 


 

Checking your Identity for a Warp Portal account with your phone would be viable, but its not for free. Warp Portal would have to pay for international calls for every account.

 

•Well Warpportal must start using Ads.

•They already got money from selling Ingame stuff.


Edited by EdwinKuswanto, 21 February 2014 - 05:31 AM.

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#13 Rinzwind

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 06:27 AM

"•only Gmail (because to create an Google account you need phone number)."

 

I do not need a phone number to create an account.

 

"IP-restriction"

 

IP's do not identify a person.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 06:33 AM

contacting phone number is way expensive


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 06:37 AM

How about you have to enter your bank details and your pin to play?!


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 06:48 AM

Lol, i guess you don't know that things doesn't work the same way in different countries ?

 

Italy (my country) for example has only dynamic IPs.

 

"•Change your current phone number (It cost a lot of money)." A lot of money ? Here in italy i can change 10 phone numbers with 50 USD dollars if not less.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 06:51 AM

A business needs to limit the number of barriers it puts up for its players to play the games. 

Your method does the opposite by errecting multiple barriers.

 

 

Restricting IPs doesn't necessarily work because there are countless people who utilize different IPs and dynamic IPs by no fault of their own.

Ie when I was in college with thousands of other people my network was secure but we shared an outgoing IP out of my apartment complex.  Am I to be blamed for what person in room 3c did who I never see?

 

 

Gravity's goal should be to do more visible airstrikes because airstrikes makes the people think that something is being done which appeases the population.

 


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 06:51 AM

Or just ring up your service provider and request a new number l0l


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 07:02 AM

since when does gmail need ur phone? 

verification code over the phone seems to be a good idea tho


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 07:22 AM

they need to make it very clear that buying/selling zeny and gears is illegal and the crackdown on that activity... not just once or twice but all the time... if they make it very very clear that botting and RMT is illegal and will get you banned then they could ban people who do these activities (not ban wipe and release)... perma bans for all offenders... make it HURT to buy or sell zeny... set up stings on zeny selling sites... there is alot more the GMs could do besides just banning bots in game... go look at the FB groups dedicated to buying/selling items and bust people there... its not that hard...ive been doing this collecting names from people and reporting those people to the support team... kill the source of the problem...


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 08:57 AM

You will not get >banned as long as you not using illegal program. that is the most important thing you should to know, If you using illegal program your >IRO accounts is ruined.

 

•Well Warpportal must start using Ads.

•They already got money from selling Ingame stuff.

 

 

And how will you determine if you use a program to change your IP or if just happened because you got a new IP from your internet provider? 

 

The ragnarok server can not even determine if the connection is coming from a legitimate ragnarok client, not to speak about determining if the connection is coming from an unaltered, unhooked ragnarok exe. 

 

There is no easy solution to prevent botting using software solutions. And it will always be just a race that a free to play server with the player base that ro has will always loose. Especially if you consider that any patch will take weeks to get to iro at which time the bot scripts will already have adapted...


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 10:15 AM

And how will you determine if you use a program to change your IP or if just happened because you got a new IP from your internet provider? 

•Only botters want to changing their IP (because their IP is blacklisted), software used for changing IP always had same IP for each software.

 

•Changing your IP using or not using software not causing you get banned.

 

•If your ID got banned because using bot your curent IP when using bot will blacklisted based on your banned ID.

 

•If you using IP changer software there is a chance the IP from IP changer software already got blacklisted long time ago cause by someone.

 

 

The ragnarok server can not even determine if the connection is coming from a legitimate ragnarok client, not to speak about determining if the connection is coming from an unaltered, unhooked ragnarok exe. 

 

Every single IP will show up in IRO database. even your transaction logs.

 

 

There is no easy solution to prevent botting using software solutions. And it will always be just a race that a free to play server with the player base that ro has will always loose. Especially if you consider that any patch will take weeks to get to iro at which time the bot scripts will already have adapted...

Say no to bot, dont buy zenny keep IRO clean, this server is more better without bot.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 10:45 AM

The stupid is strong in this one.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 04:39 PM

I GIVE UP.

You don't seem to know how IP works....


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Posted 22 February 2014 - 07:29 PM

IP banning is flawed. In Australia, if I reset my internet, I get issues a new IP. So that means if I have a blackout, I have a new IP.


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