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[Animalicia]

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Hello guys. I am Animalicia and I am a guide maker and feature reviewer of Ragnarok Online 2. I am from the SEA server and this account is meant as a clone here in WarpPortal to bridge he RO2 NA and SEA servers. You can read more about me at my profile page. I'll be starting one of the projects I've wanted to do before I went on a short hiatus so I ask for your support. This first project will be called Deciphering the Numbers or DTN.
 
DTN will be a series of surveys to gather data about the character stats in Ragnarok Online 2: Advent of Valkyrie. The goal of this series is to unlock the formulas used on different character stats and to aid in stat planning. Results will be published at the end of each survey here in WarpPortal Forums.
 
Instead of doing one complete long survey, I'll be separating the data gathering into several survey forms. New surveys will be made when the previous surveys have enough responses. I want this to be a community effort so the success of this study depends on the support of the player base.
 
I have already gathered enough data from my character to decipher a few of the formulas but I will need more to validate them before I publish the results. Please support this simple project. Thank you. -Animalicia
 
Please share this with your friends, guild group page, FB fan pages, etc., I'll need all the data I can get

 
Stats Info Summary:
General

• HP
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  HP = (175+39*Level+15*VIT+HP Bonus)*(1+(Total HP Modifier)/100)
  HP Modifiers include VIP Bonus, Guild Skill Bonus, and Tanks Skills like Grizzly Form
• SP
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  SP = (21*WIS+SP Bonus)*(1+(Total SP Modifier)/100)
  SP Modifiers include VIP Bonus
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Basic Stats

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This table shows the benefit of each basic stat depending on the class. Cells with emphasized colors are class-specific benefits while numbers with bold red fonts, in my personal opinion, introduces unfair disadvantage to their respective class. More on this will be discussed later on in a different thread about rebalancing. Note that the Alter passive skill Ignition is already applied on the table and INT for Monk class also adds 2 to Physical Attack because of their passive skill Spiritual Cadence.

Attack

• Attack Power  - Base value for calculations for physical attacks and skills. This is not the value used by the skill multipliers.
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  Attack Power = (STR*STRMultiplier+(Total Attack Power Honing Bonus))*(1+(Total Attack Power Modifier)/100)
  Attack Power Modifiers include Guild Skill Bonus, forms like Bear Form and Shadow Form and etc., Ymir's Child, Awake, Impositio Manus, Balance Link
• -General Attack Effect(Gneral Attack effect) - Physical attack value of general attacks 
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  General Attack Effect = ClassAttackConstant*(Attack Power)+(WeaponMin+WeaponMax)/2
  ClassAttackConstants vary among different classes, we don't have enough resources to derive all 18 constants
• -Physical Skill Effect - Value used for physical skill calculations. Refine Value is not reflected on the Character stats but is added before skill calculations.
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  Physical Skill Effect = 0.095*Attack Power+(WeaponMin+WeaponMax)/2
• Magic Power - Base value for calculations for magical attacks and skills. This is not the value used by the skill multipliers.
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  Magic Power = (INT*INTMultiplier+(Weapon Magic Power)+(Total Magic Power Honing Bonus))*(1+(Total Magic Power Modifier)/100)
  Magic Power Modifiers include Guild Skill Bonus, Ymir's Child, Awake, Impositio Manus, Balance Link
• -General Attack Effect(Gneral Attack effect) - This doesn't make sense. It's another copy+paste "improvement" by the genius devs of Gravity. There's no such thing as Magical General Attack. Even Wizards will hit mobs with their staves and not hit them with magically conjured magic balls as general attack.
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  General Attack Effect = ClassAttackConstant*(Magic Power)+(WeaponMin+WeaponMax)/2
  ClassAttackConstants vary among different classes, we don't have enough resources to derive all 18 constants
• -Magical Skill Effect(Physical Skill Effect<Proves the copy+paste skills of Gravity devs, no time to change Physical to Magical>) - Value used for magical skill calculations. Refine Value is not reflected on the Character stats but is added before skill calculations.
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  Magical Skill Effect = 0.095*Magic Power+(WeaponMin+WeaponMax)/2
• Attack Speed -The general attack speed of the wielded weapon.
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  Attack Speed = Weapon Attack Speed*(1-Haste Rate/100)
• Cast Speed - Reduces the casting time of skills. It is also affected by Acceleration modifiers.
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  Cast Speed(%) = Cast Speed/(0.005*Cast Speed+0.2*Level+10)
• Haste - Haste or Acceleration reduces the general attack speed of the wielded weapon.
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  Haste(%) = Haste/(0.005*Haste+0.2*Level+10)
• Vigor - Vigor or Vitality reduces all skill cooldowns.
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  Vigor(%) = Vigor/(0.005*Vigor+0.2*Level+10)
• Hit - The chance to land an attack or skill. (Finding the formula for Hit will be suspended until they fix Hit Infotip)
• Critical - The chance to land a critical strike(double damage).
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  Critical Success Rate = Critical/(0.02*Critical+40)
• Penetration
• Damage Increase(PVP)

Defense

• Defense - Reduces the damage taken.
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  Defense Rate = Defense/(0.01*Defense+0.35*Level+8.7)
• Dodge - The chance to completely avoid attacks.(Finding the formula for Hit will be suspended until they fix Dodge Infotip)
• Parry - The chance to block attacks and skills which reduces the damage by 50%.
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  Block Success Rate = Parry/(0.02*Parry+40)
• Damage Reduction(PVP)

Surveys

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[Completed] Survey #001: DTN001: Critical

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Results: I have found that critical and block follows the same formula below.

The formula for Block/Critical Success Rate. The value for alpha is the slope of the line created by dividing critical or block success rate and critical or parry value. The alpha constant has been refined by using different formulas to reduce the percentage error. I won't be showing the derivation process and how I arrived with this formula because it is quite a long and boring math.

Chaostamer149 from Warpportal Forums derived a more precise formula for Critical and Block Success rates below:

Block/Critical success rate DOES NOT scale with your level(i.e. a Level 20 Thief with 1000 parry/critical will have 16.68% block/critical rate on the same level, and a Master Level 20 Assassin with 1000 parry/critical will also have 16.68% block/critical rate on monsters with the same level) but might, no proof, scale depending on the target's level.
 

This graph shows the curve up to 25000 critical/parry value or 46.26% critical/block rate. 25000 critical/parry is almost impossible to achieve so don't expect to be able to reach a critical/block rate higher than that.
 

This graph shows the curve up to 49.9% block/critical. The cap for block/critical rate is 49.9542262% or simply 49.95% but it is impossible to achieve since it requires 2345753327405 or 2.35 trillion parry/critical value.

[Completed] Survey #002: DTN002: Defense

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Chaostamer149 was also able to derive the defense formula below.

Data from the survey was used for validation.
 

This graph shows the curve up to 25000 defense which is equivalent to 88.28% defense rate.

Survey #003: DTN003: Cast Speed/Haste/Vigor

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Chaostamer149 again was able to derive the formula for Cast Speed/Haste/Vigor.

This graph shows the small decay as the raw value increases.

Survey #004: Attack & Magic Power

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Attack Power  - Base value for calculations for physical attacks and skills. This is not the value used by the skill multipliers. 
Attack Power = ((STR*STRMultiplier)+(Total Physical Power Honing Bonus))*(1+(Total Damage Modifier/100))
Damage Modifiers are the percentage value of skills like Aura Blade, Aura Armor, Bear Form, Impositio Manus, Awake Form, Ymir's Child, SoulLink Balance, etc. Guild Skill Tactical Training is also a Damage Modifier. Power Runes does not reflect it's effect on the character stats.
 
-General Attack Effect(Gneral Attack effect) - Physical attack value of general attacks
General Attack Effect = (Attack Power/Attack Constant)+((Min. Damage + Max. Damage)/2)
Where Attack Constant = 5.015 (Based on my own database, needs survey database to validate)
 
-Physical Skill Effect - Value used for physical skill calculations. Refine Value is not reflected on the Character stats but is added before skill calculations.
Physical Skill Effect = (Attack Power/Skill Constant)+((Min. Damage + Max. Damage)/2)
Where Skill Constant = 15.53 (According to CM Heimdallr of WarpPortal, RO2 NA)
or Skill Constant = 10.5673455849938 (Based on my own database from RO2 SEA characters, also needs survey database for validation)
 
Magic Power - Base value for calculations for magical attacks and skills. This is not the value used by the skill multipliers. 
Magic Power = ((INT*INTMultiplier)+(Weapon Magic Power)+(Total Magic Power Honing Bonus))*(1+(Total Damage Modifier/100))
Damage Modifiers are the percentage value of skills like Aura Blade, Aura Armor, Bear Form, Impositio Manus, Awake Form, Ymir's Child, SoulLink Balance, etc. Guild Skill Tactical Training is also a Damage Modifier. Power Runes does not reflect it's effect on the character stats.
 
-General Attack Effect(Gneral Attack effect) - This doesn't make sense. It's another copy+paste "improvement" by the genius devs of Gravity. There's no such thing as Magical General Attack. Even Wizards will hit mobs with their staves and not hit them with magically conjured magic balls as general attack. But if you're still interested here's the formula:
General Attack Effect = (Magic Power/Attack Constant)+((Min. Damage + Max. Damage)/2)
Where Attack Constant = 5.015 (Based on my own database, needs survey database to validate)
 
-Magical Skill Effect(Physical Skill Effect) - Value used for magical skill calculations. Refine Value is not reflected on the Character stats but is added before skill calculations.
Magical Skill Effect = (Magic Power/Skill Constant)+((Min. Damage + Max. Damage)/2)
Where Skill Constant = 15.53 (According to CM Heimdallr of WarpPortal, RO2 NA)
or Skill Constant = 10.5673455849938 (Based on my own database from RO2 SEA characters, also needs survey database for validation)

Edited by Animalicia, 22 April 2014 - 08:04 PM.

[Arbalist]

Chaostamer149 already figured out critical, parry, and defense formulas and publicized them a few weeks ago in this topic:
http://forums.warppo...fence-formulas/
 

[Animalicia]

Chaostamer149 already figured out critical, parry, and defense formulas and publicized them a few weeks ago in this topic:
http://forums.warppo...fence-formulas/
 

 

 

oh, indeed, thanks for the heads up, his formula are more precise than mine, and it's a good thing he already figured out the defense formula as well, i'll try to contact him so i can publish his formula in SEA and ask if he figured out more 

[Animalicia]

DTN002 completed earlier than expected thanks to Chaostamer149 from WarpPortal forums. Please share the results and the page with your friends to increase the data pool that we can gather on the next DTN. Thank you! - Animalica


DTN003 Out! The third survey of the DTN. Please input as much data as you can and share with your friends! We need all the data we can get! Thank you! -Animalicia

Edited by Animalicia, 09 March 2014 - 06:28 AM.

[Chaostamer149]

Here you go, the formula for Vigor/Haste/CastSpeed:

 

Vigor%=Vigor/[(Vigor*.005)+(Level*.2)+24]  Where level is 1-70

 

All 3 formulas are the same, also when using these formulas, the equipment window rounds down to the nearest .01 For example: 34.876 would show as 34.87% in the equipment window.

Another thing: the game does not round numbers from modifiers such as blue/red seeds. For example(taken from my Lv20 SM):

 

The %'s are from Redseeds, 2nd row is Vigor without Redseeds, 3rd row adds Redseeds and doesn't round, the last row (974 Vigor) is what the game shows in the equipment window

 

As you can see if I were to take the vigor the equip window says I have (974), the formula would give me 33.73% but the equip window says I have 33.76%. If I use the correct vigor amount in the formula (974.93), that is, the not rounded version, it gives me the correct amount of 33.76%.

 

Edit: Changed to include any level class

Edited by Chaostamer149, 09 March 2014 - 04:13 PM.

[Animalicia]

Here you go, the formula for Vigor/Haste/CastSpeed:

 

Vigor%=Vigor/[(Vigor*.005)+24]

 

thanks, i still don't have enough data to compare the ones from NA and SEA but i can tell from the data i got from my characters that computation for v/h/cs is different here in SEA, we get more rate per raw value (i.e. 905 raw value from my data gives 33.61% but only gives 28.53 % with your formula), either this was intended or the computations here, assuming we are the ones behind patches, are not updated

[Chaostamer149]

thanks, i still don't have enough data to compare the ones from NA and SEA but i can tell from the data i got from my characters that computation for v/h/cs is different here in SEA, we get more rate per raw value (i.e. 905 raw value from my data gives 33.61% but only gives 28.53 % with your formula), either this was intended or the computations here, assuming we are the ones behind patches, are not updated

 

Ah sorry about that, I forgot that I used a lv20 for that formula. Vigor/Haste/Cast Speed is affected by level.

 

Here is the formula you would use on any lvl class:

 

Vigor%=Vigor/[(Vigor*.005)+(Level*.2)+10]   Level would be 1-70

[Animalicia]

Ah sorry about that, I forgot that I used a lv20 for that formula.

 

that explains it,   it matches now, i am rather intrigued as to how you derive these formulas   , i derive my formulas from close approximations and requires a big database(explains the constant with percentage error on my critical formula) but you seem to be able to derive much more precise formulas

[Animalicia]

DTN004 Out! Please input as much data as you can and share with your friends! We need all the data we can get! Thank you! -Animalicia

[brotherwolf]

Nice work!

[Greven79]

The funny thing with the calculation for vigor => Vigor% = Vigor / [(Vigor*.005) + (Level*.2) + 10]

 

is that it could be changed into Vigor% = Vigor / [(Vigor / 200) + (Level / 5) + 10].

 

That means that generally spoken, the result can be seen as: Vigor% = Vigor / [(Vigor / Max.Percentage) + Min.Value]

Because given high Vigor values, the Min.Value part gets negligible and it's like Vigor% = Vigor / [(Vigor / 200)] = 200 * Vigor / Vigor.

 

With 1 point in vigor .. its like Vigor% = 1 / [1 + Min.Value]

 

That means that the Vigor bonus can actually be higher than 100% and eventually reach ~200%.

Edited by Greven79, 04 December 2014 - 04:35 AM.

[Verinne]

 HP

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HP = (175+39*Level+15*VIT+HP Bonus)*(1+(Total HP Modifier)/100)

• HP Modifiers include VIP Bonus, Guild Skill Bonus, and Tanks Skills like Grizzly Form

 

Hi, can i ask where does 175 and 39 derived from? Because I'm having trouble comparing the result with this formula from what i have in-game. I'm 14-ish short with my BM, 21-ish with BM under Grizzly Form and 13-ish on my rogue. 

 

I was assuming 175 was somewhat taken from the default HP. I had to test, and create a new toon. at Level 1 Naked (1 VIT) max HP is 227, deducting 15 (from 1VIT) gives 212. How to chop that 212 is a bit of my concern. So I'm a bit curious from where the constant values of 175 and 39 came from. Hope you can enlighten me. Thanks!

[Animalicia]

those are constants derived by Chaostamer149 from a series of testing and data gathering that he had done with a controlled group
i've verified them myself and they are, if not exact, very close to what the actual HP is from my data
i am not fully aware as for the exact process on how he derived the constants themselves since i am also intrigued by his process
i derive my formulas from a large database and extrapolation of data until i arrive with an equation with a very low percentage error, but he seems to have a better process that can derive very precise equations so you may want to message him if you want to know more

p.s. the small errors you get are most probably deviations caused by rounding off of decimals

[Verinne]

yeah the results were at least close to what we have in-game but still i think there's more of it unexplained.

 

Thanks.

[Animalicia]

after pondering about this for a while i realized it was simpler than it seems, i remember Chaostamer149 telling me that he leveled a character and logged every detail per level so i guess it goes like this...

at first he had a level 1 character with 1 vit, naked, with an HP of 229, subtracting the HP bonus from that 1 vit, the base HP is 214
at level 2 his HP became 268, subtracting the bonus HP, the base will be 253
as he continued, he observed that the base HP increases by a set value every level and that is 39
going back from that, at level 1 with a base HP of 214, when you subtract the level bonus of 39, you'll get 175

so there

Edited by Animalicia, 04 April 2014 - 06:26 PM.