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[Hissis]

I'm Planning to Leveling Only in TI (I'm lazy to do Scaraba quest and dont have time too

 

+4 Grimtooth Expert Archer  3/3  +  +10 Main Gauche 4 Archer Skeleton (-50% DEF)

 

                        or

 

+4 Grimtooth Expert Archer 3/3 + +4 Grimtooth Expert Archer 3/3 (-100% DEF?)

 

 

Kunai explosion is better than Swirling petals to leveling?

 

Thanks

 

Edited by Hissis, 12 March 2014 - 05:18 PM.

[Facekiller]

swirling petals has a MUCH better aoe... youll want to go with the MG over the grimtooth...

[Kadelia]

swirling petals has a MUCH better aoe... youll want to go with the MG over the grimtooth...

 

By 'better' you mean 'wider' right? because the damage is lower iirc, which is certainly not 'better'.

[DivinumRen]

Grimtooth 3/3 + Main Gauche x4 AS is better, but only for TI, for solo leveling I used Grimtooth 3/3 + MG with 2 Element & 2 Race cards, this "combo" deals 55k~~60k on monsters.

 

The damage of Swirling Petals is very low compared with Kunai Explosion & Magic Oboros.

[AlmrOfAtlas]

Well it's TI.

For mob control you want Swirling Petals. For focused damage most would suggest Kunai Explosion, but I've seen damage comparable to and even exceeding a Kingbird MG KE using a Kingbird Giant Wheel SP, both overupgraded to about the same refine. Never tried the actual Swirling Petal Huuma though.

e: I'd personally not use a Grimtooth in mobby situations like TI. Sure you have power, but unless you're very competent a stray hit could lead to css pinball, getting slammed against terrain, and having your guts ripped out at twice the speed of a build without Grim.

Edited by AlmrOfAtlas, 13 March 2014 - 07:10 AM.

[iDaehyun]

AFAIK, there's a post by Jaye that she ranked the best main-hand weaps for KE in there, and don't use another grimtooth for off-hand, as skills don't take off-hand dmg into account I heard, but the effect from the cards, so it's best to use a proper carded 4 slot MG.
Though for TIs ,KE sucks hard, as the 3x3 aoe make it more like a single target skill instead, make it pretty hard to target if you constantly moving and luring, and the dmg scale with base level. I'd say Swirling Petal > KE in TIs due to the 7x7 aoe, I can 1 shot mobs in mid TIs pretty easy with proper endow and 9 earth charms. imo you should use the Swirling Petal Huuma, alter between KE and Swirling Petal for maximizing damage.

Edited by iDaehyun, 13 March 2014 - 08:31 AM.

[Facekiller]

let me break it down for you...

Swirling petals-

PROS: Longer range, bigger aoe,  when endowed can hit ghosts, slightly shorter cast time and reuse delay, No item consumption

CONS: Can miss, weaker damage than KE, requires using a huuma

 

Kunai Explosion-

PROS: greater damage, can be used with either daggers or huuma, cannot miss most targets

CONS: Cannot hit ghosts even when endowed, shorter range, 3x3 aoe, slightly longer cast time and reuse delay, requires having exploding kunai in inventory, damage is dependent on Base/Job level as well as atk (people who get KE right away are usually disappointed in its damage)

 

like iDaehyun says for mob situations its best to alternate attacks allowing for faster mobbing without pinpoint targeting and to save on exploding kunai... its how ive been hunting MVPs... Swirling petals takes out the mobs and does some damage to the MVP while KE is used for direct targeting of the MVP

 

 

 

[Hissis]

hmmm,I have read all and i choose Kunai Explosion Because actually i join party to do TI and damage helps a lot in High TI...

 

I'm 133 Kagerou and Planning to reset to Rapid Throw/Kunai Explosive in 140 and I CANT waste 5 Points and i HAVE to choose one

 

Maybe i make a Hybrid PvP/WOE Build... Using Magic to Defeat RG's/Normal people and Rapid Throw to Kill Top stuff people

 

1 More Question

 

IF i have 80 STR instead 100,this make a big difference in Kunai Explosion?

 

Thanks for all  

Edited by Hissis, 14 March 2014 - 08:17 AM.

[Facekiller]

well youll want 120 dex and 120 luck for an 80% chance to hit with Rapid Throw so if youre going that route you wont have much left for str for KE  or int for Magic as well as having Vit for surviving with our low HP mod

[DivinumRen]

well youll want 120 dex and 120 luck for an 80% chance to hit with Rapid Throw so if youre going that route you wont have much left for str for KE  or int for Magic as well as having Vit for surviving with our low HP mod

 

I think that build only needs 4 stats at 100.

 

Rapid Throw hit formula:

 

Skill hit rate: [{10 – (500 x (1 / (DEX + LUK)))} x (5 + Rapid Throw Skill LV)] %, with all targets within boundary are calculated separately.

 

What is the % of success rate with 100 DEX/LUK in that formula?

[Kadelia]

I haven't tested in a while but I believe a +12 kingbird RWC knife in the offhand is more reliable/consistent minimum damage than a quad kingbird MG.

[Hissis]

RWC Knife is expensive @@

 

@RT

 

have the same question,what is the % success hate with 100DEX/LUK?

 

in sakray i got good results using 110DEX/90LUK

[CharAznable]

Okay, First of all, 2 race/2 elemental carded MG beats everything for off hand. having 15+ carded MGs for offhand, and have tested +12 kingbird RWC and other stuff, i can say with 90% confidence that 2/2 carded MG beats everything else in terms of damage for KE.

 

Secondly, i've been playing with my kagerou recently after clearing off its dust, Kunai Splash is actually really good AoE skill. i was doing comfortably 25k~27k on angra mentis(10 earth charm with endow) and 30k with Full Moon Proc (+50 atk).

 

Swirling petal is definately have wider AoE, and it is indeed really good to combo with, but having Illusion Shadow, it is doable to get used to 3x3 AoE of KE. and 250k KE with specialized gear is something that might make ranger to make Q_Q.

 

My set up is +9 5/5 EA grimtooth, and specialized 2/2 MG to KE for the most part. i use +9 7/7 FS Grimtooth with same MG for Kunai Splash (better to cast Pure Soul after cicada proc then use Kunai Splash) . which makes just as good as GX's Rolling Cutter with +9 RWH.

 

Edit: downside with Kunai Splash is that there arent reliable way to leech hp. as far as i know, earth deleter card and sky deleter card is the only way to leech hp/sp from using Kunai Splash. And also, its cheaper to make bunch of 2/2 specialized carded MG than buying anything like +12 kingbird RWC knife, and lose slot on accessory. 

Edited by CharAznable, 18 March 2014 - 12:47 PM.

[thatfool]

which build is the most versatile? 

[CharAznable]

which build is the most versatile? 

 

I would say hybrid. Its really fun to play, and have a lot of possibility. You can invest agi/int/str/vit/dex evenly, and with help of Distorted Crescent(as oboro) it packs a good damage. 

 

I personally went for brutal force of KE and RC alike Kunai Splash, and had to spent some time coming back and forth to a storage when i was doing Turn In, or solo grinding(always choose warp friendly place. otherwise, you will find yourself spending money on kafra card) 

 

Good thing about swirling petal is huge AoE, which makes ninja quite scary in mid turn-in phase. and blazing shield(can protect party member from getting hit, and also can be used to slow down mot, and make them stay hitlocked) and other utility really shines in the party play. DC is great buff to provide, which last longer than odin, and fairly easy to get early on, which bumps your damage a lot. if you're deciding which gender you want to try, i'd definitely go for oboro if you're pvm heavy. 

 

you would slow down your mob with Blazing shield, which gives you time to cast pure soul, then you can use either swirling petal, on mobs to kill them off. so most of the time, you will have to get used to /bingbing and /bangbang after you make yourself some distances from the mob. then you will cicada to desired place, then cast BS-> Pure Soul(if you're low on hp or sp)-> KE or Swirling Petal or Kunai Splash. 

 

Build wise, i wouldnt go heavy on agi early on, and also wouldn't go heavy on int early on. I'd build around fair amount of agi, fair amount of str, around 95~100 vit for stun resist and hp pool, and 60~70 dex depending on where you want to be grinding. 

Edited by CharAznable, 18 March 2014 - 12:58 PM.

[iDaehyun]

which build is the most versatile? 

Well I'd say Swirling Petal/KE build, but I believe Kunai Splash/KE will dish out the most damage with proper equips.

Edited by iDaehyun, 18 March 2014 - 12:58 PM.

[spikexp]

Secondly, i've been playing with my kagerou recently after clearing off its dust, Kunai Splash is actually really good AoE skill. i was doing comfortably 25k~27k on angra mentis(10 earth charm with endow) and 30k with Full Moon Proc (+50 atk).

you sure it's not 9? afaik you can't endow with 10 charms. the earth element can't be overriden
 

Edit: downside with Kunai Splash is that there arent reliable way to leech hp. as far as i know, earth deleter card and sky deleter card is the only way to leech hp/sp from using Kunai Splash. And also, its cheaper to make bunch of 2/2 specialized carded MG than buying anything like +12 kingbird RWC knife, and lose slot on accessory.

this is interesting, i should look the price up...

are you making one for every combination possible or just the ones you'd like to kill?

[CharAznable]

you sure it's not 9? afaik you can't endow with 10 charms. the earth element can't be overriden
 

this is interesting, i should look the price up...

are you making one for every combination possible or just the ones you'd like to kill?

 

I overwrite it with MW(not really overwriting really, just for bonus), which gives bonus ATK for fire element(afaik, it should stacking, but since i just do it anyway, it might not), and Kunai Splash doesn't get affected by Earth Charm, as long as you're using fire kunai, Splash will always do fire elemental damage. KE however, need to have 9 charm. Sorry if that was a bit confusing. 

 

And yes, i have from Quad AK MG to Quad Underneath to test, then i started to make specialized dagger for appropriate monsters. (ex) for Scaraba, i would use Caramel Card and Kaho Card. This one actually comes in handy because GM quite like the angra mentis in the high ti, and this particular ti there were only tatacho, which is 2 shot-able anyway. i was playing with Quad Underneath carded MG today, and certainly enjoyable to watch 22k~28k per splash. 

Edited by CharAznable, 18 March 2014 - 01:41 PM.

[CharAznable]

 

Demo on how Splash Kunai works (sort of)

Edited by CharAznable, 18 March 2014 - 02:14 PM.

[Lyonile]

Mind telling me your equips and buffs you using ? thanks !.

[iDaehyun]

Hardly anyone use it though, due to the rumor of low damage and high costs, but given right condition, gear setup, pure Kunai Splash build will give any other build out there a run for their money when it comes to aoe dps. It's like Rolling Cutter with 20-30k dmg, in a 11x11 AoE, you can easily solo high TIs with it, if the cost doesn't bother you and you have Kafra card to restock kunai.

[CharAznable]

Hardly anyone use it though, due to the rumor of low damage and high costs, but given right condition, gear setup, pure Kunai Splash build will give any other build out there a run for their money when it comes to aoe dps. It's like Rolling Cutter with 20-30k dmg, in a 11x11 AoE, you can easily solo high TIs with it, if the cost doesn't bother you and you have Kafra card to restock kunai.

i previously stated that its cost extensive, so yes. Only if people want to spend dedicated amount of money just to try this build out, its really fun.  You don't necessarily need kafra card. if someone would hunt at low lever, Kobolds, Magmarings, Magma Dungeon 2, Desert Wolves, etc etc etc, You can just grap a warp, and dedicated buffer to buff yourself(odin, even DC with oboro if you're using kagerou, etc etc) and warp back there with full buff/kunai.
 

Mind telling me your equips and buffs you using ? thanks !.

In that video, i was using 

+7 Star-Spangled Bandana (Costume: Full Moon)

Polution Elven Ear

Gangster Scarf

Brynhild(can be replaced by earth deleter carded ninja suit, or porcelio carded anything, also can use elemental armor)

+9 Grimtooth 7/7 FS
+9 Quad Underneath MG(Kaho Card)

+9 Immune FAW 5/5/6 FS 
Vidar's Boots

2x Bakonawa Agimat Tattoo and Phen Switching for Pure Soul

 

Only damage related food i was popping was Tako, and Savage BBQ. and Vip buff, other stuff are just there for me to have easier hunting life.

Edited by CharAznable, 18 March 2014 - 04:02 PM.

[Lyonile]

 

In that video, i was using 

+7 Star-Spangled Bandana (Costume: Full Moon)

Polution Elven Ear

Gangster Scarf

Brynhild(can be replaced by earth deleter carded ninja suit, or porcelio carded anything, also can use elemental armor)

+9 Grimtooth 7/7 FS
+9 Quad Underneath MG(Kaho Card)

+9 Immune FAW 5/5/6 FS 
Vidar's Boots

2x Bakonawa Agimat Tattoo and Phen Switching for Pure Soul

 

Only damage related food i was popping was Tako, and Savage BBQ. and Vip buff, other stuff are just there for me to have easier hunting life.

Thanks alot ! May I ask what is your total ATK in the character info windows ? Sorry I'm trying to see what I'm lacking.

[spikexp]

since i'm not planning to use kunai splash (not affordable, sadly), i was thinking about switching between the GT+MG with a petal huuma

idk where did i do wrong but seems that everytime i switch from petal huuma, the GT always went to the left hand..

[Rotine]

since i'm not planning to use kunai splash (not affordable, sadly), i was thinking about switching between the GT+MG with a petal huuma

idk where did i do wrong but seems that everytime i switch from petal huuma, the GT always went to the left hand..

 

Press your MG key first.