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#1 Calypsopoxta

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 09:38 AM

Let me just say up front, I've been scouring the internet for a definitive answer on this, and the search function on this forum hasn't done me very much good in finding one.

I've seen claims about which cards do and don't effect Warg Strike damage.  Most state that cards like Zipper Bear and Andre etc. do not apply, because they are part of the Equipment ATK Portion of the equation to ATK, which Warg Strike reportedly does not use.  Others claim cards like Skeleton Archer do indeed increase Warg Strike's damage because it effects ranged damage only and this is somehow different.

I know for a fact that the set bonus from Elven Bow and Elven Arrows applies to Warg Strike.  Does this mean all percentile Bonuses to ranged damage like that of Skeleton Archer Card, White Wing set(also getting conflicting reports: is it 30 flat ATK or 30%?) and Expert Archer enchants apply to Warg Strike (if using a bow) and that cards like Zipper Bear and Turtle General will not?

I guess my bottom line question is whether Turtle General or Skeleton Archer apply to Warg Strike at all.  But knowing all the details would be greatly appreciated.

 

P.S. Do autocast procs from cards override Warg Strike?  I'm pretty sure they don't but I would like to know.


Edited by Calypsopoxta, 30 March 2014 - 09:42 AM.

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#2 Gabohollow

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:38 AM

ok i do many test here its what i find:

 

the elven combo DO NOT add DMG (tried an elven bow with normal arrow then with elven arrow-> the diference was only for like ~500 dmg apparently becuase of diference in ATK from arrows)

the WW Set DO NOT add DMG

 

looks like only the STATUS ATK and WEAPON ATK affect wargs becuase using a Cross bow (no refine) ends in around 7k dmg and using another one but with 2 andre cards (+50 ATK) ends in the same damage (7,000.)

 

now when using diferent bow seems to varie the damage but only becuase of his ATK 

BUT when using diferent arrows the damage also varies (using the same bow) but its supposly Status ATK and supposly do not have to increase the DMG so im a little confused  :/ becuase using RWC rings with FS enchants DO NOT ADD ANY DMG @_@

 

so in resume LOOKS LIKE only STATUS ATK, WEAPON ATK (including refine), and ARROWS affects the total DMG of Warg Strike but i encourage more Rangers friends to keep testing with diferente bow, refines , cards etc to finally know what affects and what not the holy/damn wolf xD

 

EDIT* using a WW suit +4 and using a +9 WW suit wit EA3 do not affect the DMG of warg.


Edited by Gabohollow, 30 March 2014 - 10:41 AM.

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:48 AM

Things that affect warg damage:

Tooth of warg
Warg strike level
Warg bite level
Weapon
Overall atk
Dances of warg skill

For card I think Thanatos. I forgot lol.

Edited by Memoir, 30 March 2014 - 10:50 AM.

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#4 Calypsopoxta

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:52 AM

Interesting...I don't actually play on the official RO server, I play on CasualRO.  On my server, Elven bow set vastly increases the damage of Warg Strike, and to a lesser extent, so does the WW set bonus (I managed a well controlled test).  I'm to understand CasualRO uses kRO as a basis for it's patching, so maybe that or something else makes the difference.

Gabo, do you play on the official server for RO?


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:56 AM

As long as it increases your overall atk then then dmg will increase. If it's just an addition to just status atk or other parts of the atk equation then it will still increase but not much because in the end of the formula it doesn't increase much.
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#6 Gabohollow

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 03:22 PM

yes i play IRO but in the part of the ATK im not very sure Memoir and ACTUALLY y clearly remember that thanatos DO NOT apply to warg only the part of bypass DEF becuase the Warg its certanly affected by DEF so the best card (for DMG) would be a Samurai Card.

now i do test around 2 hrs in the morning and i can ensure you the Ranged Modifers do not affect it (almost 90+% ranged damage and i dont see any change in the DMG) but in the part of ATK im not very sure if ALL the ATK affects warg becuase i told you using a crossbow (the one from npc and 2 slots) ends in around 7k damage AND using another one (no refines but 2 ANDRE card) and mi RWC (+38 ATK) and still hitting 7k O_O its 88 DMG no matter if in the formula its a little ITS almost 100 it have to be noticable :S

I´M TESTING RIGHT NOW in the west Rachel if you wanna see how using this equipts do not affec the DMG

 

its very weird xD


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#7 Memoir

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 03:41 PM

Weird I just tested this just now and I could see the damage difference in mine. I will try to do more tests later cause I need to do ti on my alt.
I did a quick test by switching armor. Same white wing suits but different upgrade level and enchants. I also checked my atk change as I switch. The one with higher atk dealt more damage.
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Posted 30 March 2014 - 06:02 PM

according to what zr0rieu post here:

 

http://forums.warppo...updated-to-v22/

 

according to the calculator posted seems like warg strike should be effected by

 

~your stats (dex,str,luk)

~weapon attack including refinement bonus

~equip attack

~level of your warg strike

~level of your warg teeth

~defense bypassing effects

 

what won't work according to the calculator

 

~% modifiers (hydra, archer skeleton, etc)

 

so best card in this case would probably be a

 

~beholder master card for more aspd

~atroce card for +25 atk and small chance for max aspd proc

~tendrillion card for +35 atk at +12, and more crit

 

since the calculator was posted may 2013, and by a very knowledgeable person, it should be up to date.

 

 

 

fyi i do agree the forums search function is not very useful, so i always use google to search the forums. All you have to do is type what you want to look for, followed by "site:" then the site you wanna search through

 

format:

 

thing site:www.things.com

 

so in this case

 

warg strike site:forums.warpportal.com

 

:p_smile:


Edited by hmc317, 30 March 2014 - 06:04 PM.

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#9 Gabohollow

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 07:47 PM

i know its supposed that all your ATK should affect warg but then what if i don´t have nothing equiped just the crossbow (no refine no cards just a normal bow from npc) and when i use the same bow BUT with 2 andre cards why the DMG its exactly the same  O.o?

i even do another test in where i only use the Crossbow without reifne or cards then hit like 20 times the DMG was (from 5230 to 5380) and then i put my two RWCs repeat +38 ATK) with the same BOW and the DMG WAS THE EXACT SAME I DO THIS LIKE 4 TIMES THE DMG NEVER GET BELOW 5230 A NEVER UP TO 5400 NOT EVEN ONCE @_@

maybe im doing something wrong i have the REC for the test of this but i don´t know how to paste it here :P but if you want the archive to look at it you can PM me so i can send you :P


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Posted 31 March 2014 - 02:20 AM

Did you check the changes in your atk from the status window?
If you want to easily see the huge difference. You can check by testing it with weapon and without. By doing that, you will see the big difference in damage. Otherwise, check your atk from the status window. If it doesn't change by a lot, then the damage difference won't be a lot.
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Posted 31 March 2014 - 08:34 AM

Can someone share the equation for calculating TOTAL ATK please?


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#12 Calypsopoxta

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 11:13 AM

ATK = StatusATK × 2 + WeaponATK + EquipATK + MasteryATK

This is what it's made of:

StatusATK = Floor( BaseLevel ÷ 4 + STR + DEX ÷ 5 + LUK ÷ 3 )
 

WeaponATK = ( BaseWeaponATK + Variance + STRBonus + RefinementBonus ) × SizePenalty

 

Equipment ATK is the sum of ATK gained from equips other than weaponsSupport buffs tend to increase this ATK, too, but not all of them fit into this category.

 

Mastery ATK is a special kind of ATK that has no elemental properties. While most masteries come from Passive Skills, there are some Active Skills such as Camouflage or Zen.

 

This is all on iro wiki.

 

Also, your display for Weapon ATK will only show Base Weapon damage, the normal Refinement, and High Upgrade bonuses.  The rest doesn't show (Str/Dex Bonus, arrows etc.).
 


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Posted 31 March 2014 - 05:03 PM

ATK = StatusATK × 2 + WeaponATK + EquipATK + MasteryATK

This is what it's made of:

StatusATK = Floor( BaseLevel ÷ 4 + STR + DEX ÷ 5 + LUK ÷ 3 )
 

WeaponATK = ( BaseWeaponATK + Variance + STRBonus + RefinementBonus ) × SizePenalty

 

Equipment ATK is the sum of ATK gained from equips other than weaponsSupport buffs tend to increase this ATK, too, but not all of them fit into this category.

 

Mastery ATK is a special kind of ATK that has no elemental properties. While most masteries come from Passive Skills, there are some Active Skills such as Camouflage or Zen.

 

This is all on iro wiki.

 

Also, your display for Weapon ATK will only show Base Weapon damage, the normal Refinement, and High Upgrade bonuses.  The rest doesn't show (Str/Dex Bonus, arrows etc.).
 

 

 

Nice, thank you for your answer, very thorough. Does this equation ever change, from patches to patches?


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#14 Gabohollow

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 08:47 PM

Memoir friend im not a newbie im know how the ATK works and 88 ATK (equipment that shows in window) its not a little bit...anyway a Specialist its checking the replay to see what im doing wrong or what its wrong X_X


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#15 Calypsopoxta

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 11:05 PM

teddytong, I don't believe these figures will change any time soon, but that's how I interpret ATK currently.  I don't think it's changed much in quite a while.

ASPD is another mystery I'm trying to unlock...as my current server doesn't seem to conform to any calc online, I'm trying to make my own...

Anyways, my current server seems to take ALL forms of ATK into account for warg strikes.  WW Set, Elven Bow Set, WW Ring, and even Turtle General Card...

My server claims to conform to whatever is being used on the kRO servers.  I'm not sure what all of that means, but my question was answered for my specific case.


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 12:41 AM

After testing on Sakray, it looks like most of the equipment ATK no longer boost warg strike damage. I didn't have Bloodied Shackle Ball, Fighting Spirit enchanted items and HBP to test out on Sakray, but I'm 99.9% sure that they don't affect warg strike damage.

 

+ATK from equipments and cards such as Pirate dagger and Andre cards do not boost warg strike damage.

+Equipment ATK from Odin's Blessing does not boost warg strike damage.

 

Only +Equipment ATK boost that does affect warg strike damage is Striking.

 

 


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#17 Gabohollow

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 01:33 AM

thank you so much zr0rieu helping us to find out how Warg Strike works and its very weird how its works XD 

im gonna test with my HBP B.S.B and my FAW (FS) to confirm also im having the feeling that +ATK% (enchants like in the +9WW mant or from bonuses like the brynhild) may actually works and do increase the DMG :D


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Posted 02 April 2014 - 01:50 AM

thank you so much zr0rieu helping us to find out how Warg Strike works and its very weird how its works XD 

im gonna test with my HBP B.S.B and my FAW (FS) to confirm also im having the feeling that +ATK% (enchants like in the +9WW mant or from bonuses like the brynhild) may actually works and do increase the DMG :D

 

On kRO, the only thing that affects warg strike damage is DEF bypass, Status ATK and Weapon ATK (striking is included in this category apparently). Feel free to test those equipments out, but don't be too disappointed when you find out that it doesn't work.


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#19 Gabohollow

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 02:03 AM

naa there are only tests not hopping nothing in particular :heh:


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