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#1 Kagaho10

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 07:12 AM

Hi again!

 

i have some questions about kagerou skills/build:

 

1- How Could i decrease Kunai Explosion delay ?

 

2- Which is the best strategy against MVP and mobs:
- use Ilusion Shadow to stop the mob, then use Kunai Explosion or
- use Blaze Shield to stop the mob, then use Kunai Explosion.

 

I'm thinkng to use one of these hybrid (MVP/PVM/WOE/PVP)

 

http://irowiki.org/~...N1bn1odnFdBdBna

or

http://irowiki.org/~...N1bn1odaEdBdBna

Thank you again!


Edited by Kagaho10, 11 April 2014 - 07:17 AM.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 08:49 AM

The only ways to reduce cast delay are Magic String,Kiel card and Expert ring, though tbh, with your build, you'll cry if you get mobbed, as your only killing skill has an unbearable delay. Assuming you use Grimtooth and 9 earth charms ( a must) to maximize KE dmg, that means your Flaming Petal dmg will sucks, as you need Fire Charms to up its dmg to somewhat usable, and you can only have 1 type of charm on.
You should either go full magic or get a huuma and go KE + Swirling Petal, it'll make your life easier.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:11 AM

Oh, this is bad :(

I would like to use KE (MVP/PVP) / Flaming Petals (PVM) / Kiling Stroke(PVP) and the Ilusions skills(PVP/WOE).

 

There is an other way to use these skills together? i am using Grimtooth Enchant + Main Gauche [4] EA / 2x Bazerald Enchant

 

Other questions:

16th Night reduces the dalay of Ninja Aura?

 

Ilusions skills are good enough ? Which are the best?

 

Thanks so much iDaehyun


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:24 AM

afaik, 16th night doesn't reduce skill delays, only cast time (even if it does, never felt like so)

for illusion skills, i havent touch anything other than shadow (clone) which is VERY good for pvm
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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:28 AM

pvp and mvp builds are 2 different types... you really cant mix them effectively.... you need to decide which is more important or youll end up with crap for both...

 


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 12:42 PM

What you thing about that:

http://irowiki.org/~...2bnqnrqnDdBdBna

 

Could I use in WOE/PVP/MVP ?


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:04 PM

That skill set looks fine, though you gonna have to add a huuma to your weapon list. Though if I were you, I'd max out Rapid Throw instead, It's way more useful and less risky than Killing Strike, one of the most OP skill in WoE.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:11 PM

That skill set looks fine, though you gonna have to add a huuma to your weapon list. Though if I were you, I'd max out Rapid Throw instead, It's way more useful and less risky than Killing Strike, one of the most OP skill in WoE.

Thanks again man, but i dont have many money to spend with this skill and i like the animation of skill KS :). Yes, i will use Humma Swirling Petals(something like that) with 2 Archer Skeleton.

 

About 16th and Aura Ninja, it's ok or need max lv?


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:12 PM

id say drop the bewitch, illusion shock/death skills.... they only work well on players of a much lower level and less int... and youll want Empty Shadow for pvp as it strips ALL reflects (magic and physical) from both cards and skills and i believe even removes sacrifice and shadow formation... illusion shadow is only useful in pvp for emergency escapes from a AoE skill (nobody is fooled by the clone)... also if youre gonna get shadow slash you might as well get shadow hide... KS can work well in pvp if used properly... but you could always take the cheap way out and get RT (youll need very high dex and luck to hit with it, has a 10 second cooldown and spends 100k at max level even if you miss)... also note that if you use Rapid Throw most likely a shadow chaser will copy it to use on you (and they can still use it more effectively)... and youll become an instant target for EVERYBODY whos not your long time friend...


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:19 PM

Thanks again man, but i dont have many money to spend with this skill and i like the animation of skill KS :). Yes, i will use Humma Swirling Petals(something like that) with 2 Archer Skeleton.

 

About 16th and Aura Ninja, it's ok or need max lv?

 

16th night is best at level 3 due to teh bug with the cooldown timer resetting but not the skill when recast before the skill ends... and ninja aura can be used at level 1 even as its main use is for casting KS and Mirror image
 


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:30 PM

Have a look please:

http://irowiki.org/~...1bnqnrnaddBdBon

Empty Shadow needs max lv?

What do I do with the 5 points left over? 


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:34 PM

the more levels of empty shadow the longer the effects... i dont know if it increases skill failure on the target per level.... as for the rest id drop down the amount you have in illusion shadow to 3 and shadow trampling to 3 (not as effective as it seems since GX and SC can just backslide out of it) get shadow hide so you dont have to use haze slasher or a smokie card to shadow leap... the rest you can put into maybe soul cutter to strip soul links.... or kunai splash... really kinda up to you on that one

 


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:24 AM

Thanks Again OkamiMaru

What you think about this build:

http://irowiki.org/~...N1bnqnr1DdBdBhn

Can I use in PVM,MVP and "play" in PVP?

Weapons and gears aren't the trouble.
 


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:58 AM

illusion bewitch is essentially useless... and you really should get shadow hide


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:19 AM

Hmm, because i thought that illusion bewitch could help to escape in one x one pvp. (change the places)
I was thing to use Smoke Card, i will see that if i get shadow hide.

16th in max lv increases more MATK than in lv3 or just the time increases?

What the max damage of Kiling Stroke did you see? "Not a long time ago"


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:38 AM

Hmm, because i thought that illusion bewitch could help to escape in one x one pvp. (change the places)
I was thing to use Smoke Card, i will see that if i get shadow hide.

16th in max lv increases more MATK than in lv3 or just the time increases?

What the max damage of Kiling Stroke did you see? "Not a long time ago"

Why waste an accessory slot when you can get the same skill with just 1 point ? Save it for future cards. And nope, Higher level of 16th Night means longer duration only, though the cooldown is set at 60 sec so, even if you reuse it before it runs out, the skill duration won't refresh, so it's best to leave it at level 3.
As for Killing Stroke dmg, there was a QQ thread of someone who went full KS build and disappointed about it before :
http://forums.warppo...-sucks-already/


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:39 AM

16th night doesnt actually increase matk... bewitch has a pretty long cooldown and has a fairly high fail rate... not to mention you could end up confused... shadow hide will let you shadow leap to escape if needed without having to use up an accessory slot with a smokie card... the max damage ive pulled off without KS specific gears with 20k hp was 88k....


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 01:57 PM

understood about the illusion skills.

So Killing Stroke it is not good? i saw this video and i thought cool:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=JzwyPTc4tso

 

 


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 02:09 PM

understood about the illusion skills.

So Killing Stroke it is not good? i saw this video and i thought cool:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=JzwyPTc4tso

 

you dont know what gear the Kagerou in the video is using... i can tell for one thing that hes using MVP cards cuz you cant cloak like that without a Assassin Cross Eremes MVP card... KS does some really good damage IF you use it right... but woe armors make it much harder...
 


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 04:05 PM

Oh, i see. Man, it is so hard to do a "perfect" build. I play in an other server (bRO) and it is a little diferent-and hard-do it. (all server has only 2 Tao Gunka Card). I Like PvP and MvP, because of that i am trying doing a hybrid build. Also like fire magic skills... And i dont know if the skills(like illusion) are differents in iRO/bRO.
Anyway, i am hiting 17k with Grimtooth+4+enchant and +10 MG 4x Archer Skeleton. With the Huuma Swirling Petals i dont have job enough.


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 04:24 PM

im a hybrid... but i dont pvp anymore (theres no point in it... its all just trolls and pay to win)... i do however MVP/PVM and even solo in ET...


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:46 PM

Also to add pvp and woe are two different play styles. your role in woe changes based on your build and skills. Also a lot of skills do not work like normal due to the loss of push back in WoE maps. THese skills do not jump/push back in war of emperium as far as I know: shadow illusion, cicada skin shed, cross slash, shadow slash, shadow leap, killing stroke.


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Posted 17 April 2014 - 05:05 PM

Oh, i see. Man, it is so hard to do a "perfect" build. I play in an other server (bRO) and it is a little diferent-and hard-do it. (all server has only 2 Tao Gunka Card). I Like PvP and MvP, because of that i am trying doing a hybrid build. Also like fire magic skills... And i dont know if the skills(like illusion) are differents in iRO/bRO.
Anyway, i am hiting 17k with Grimtooth+4+enchant and +10 MG 4x Archer Skeleton. With the Huuma Swirling Petals i dont have job enough.

 

hahahhahahahahahahah

 

bRO is the second most pay to win server of the world... In Thor,1 Player have 2 or 3 Tao Gunka,we have a stupid ring who gives +10% HP,+1vit,+250HP + Slot.

 

I Really Hate bRO,I used to play this server a lot but every week it gets more pay to win,bugs and stupid people...

 

Dont use Hybrid build in this server,you dont need (well,my opinion). People there are noob,they dont know how to use their own skills...

 

Hybrid kagerou build for PVP is bad ( my opinion again)

 

Good Luck


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Posted 17 April 2014 - 06:29 PM

actually the best build for PVP would be a hybrid of sorts...


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Posted 22 April 2014 - 08:19 AM

actually the best build for PVP would be a hybrid of sorts...

 

If you are rich,maybe...


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