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#51 MetioraA

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 05:13 AM

Indeed we are and that idea is to bring fair refining to the community. We're all tired of paying and suffering for no results. We want something more consistent and not restricted to those with the thickest wallets. Those who have dedication and work hard should be rewarded the same as those who decide to pay to save time. That's what this is really about. I worked my ass off to get where I am but now I'm being left behind by all the people who have the money to refine. I'm buyin a PC and am also saving up for school. I can't be spending hundreds of dollars on a game just to be as good as other people. I'd gladly farm all day to refine, but I can't do that with this system. All I'm gonna get doing that is get some Pollinium. So...I get a chance at refining my weapon, but at what cost? A 100% chance of watching it fail and break. Awesome. Even if everything is balanced in RO, it won't matter with this refinement. People who refuse to refine will still be helpless, nobody will want them for raids, they will die in pvp over and over, and will end up leaving because being at such a big disadvantage, in my opinion, isn't fun. It's fun in games like Dark Souls, Vindictus, and many shooters where skill plays the biggest role. It's not so fun in a "stand there and hit buttons till someone dies" kind of game like most MMOs are. Or to give an example, I love using shotguns in CoD even though SMGs are better in literally every way. I like that disadvantage I give myself because there are ways to work around it and I have fun doing that. I love people getting angry at me and blaming my weapon for being overpowered when really I'm at a disadvantage but know how to change that so things are in my favor. What I don't like is using inferior gear to try to kill someone in RO in pvp only to have them out heal my damage and then 1-shot me. My only chance of beating anyone in pvp is to find someone like myself who doesn't refine. So to sum it all up, fix the refining. You're giving paying players so much of an advantage that it's unfair to everyone else. I'd rather see refining be removed from the game and have half the population leave than to keep things the way they are now. If RO2 becomes completely balanced and introduces lots of new content, that's awesome. But if refining is still this way, I may just move on to something that doesn't punish me for simply trying to do my best and skipping the kafra shop.

 

Well said Tiduspeco. The new purposed system is coming along nicely, I like the direction it's headed in.


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#52 Greven79

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Posted 07 May 2014 - 08:39 AM

Because WarpPortal members are too KITTEN to filter the thread replies of their own forum, I have to ask it here: (And yes, I really mean to be offending, because it's a trivial thing and a PM would have done it!)

 

Is the poll about the removal of the current system or the implementation of the suggested version?

'Cause although I wish the current system would be replaced, I wouldn't enjoy the sugested idea.


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 08:56 AM

Because WarpPortal members are too KITTEN to filter the thread replies of their own forum, I have to ask it here: (And yes, I really mean to be offending, because it's a trivial thing and a PM would have done it!)

 

Is the poll about the removal of the current system or the implementation of the suggested version?

'Cause although I wish the current system would be replaced, I wouldn't enjoy the sugested idea.

Greetings!

 

Just wish to remind you that although you are welcome to express your happiness or even your displeasure with an idea or concept it is never okay to actively attack anyone on the forums! We have edited your post to remove the AoE personal attack. By your own words you are aware that what you are doing is wrong and we ask that you please do not attack players or staff in such a manner again, this is your only warning!

 

Thank you for expressing your concerns regarding the proposed system change!


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 11:26 AM

We have edited your post to remove the AoE personal attack.

Now that's funny xD. But yeah, pretty much everything Camp said. I don't mind any criticism whether it be good or bad. I'm a big boy, I can handle the truth. But insulting or attacking anyone on my threads is a big no no. If Camp didn't already edit it, I would have had it edited or removed anyway. If you have issues with somebody, please take it up with them in private. And to answer your question, the poll is to keep or get rid of the current system. It is not whether or not my system should be implimented. That's what the questionaire is for. My concept is meant to be used for comparison as it is a completely different system. By comparing the 2 and seeing what we like and dislike about them, it's much easier to get our point across what is wrong and what we want. So that being said, I'd love as many people as possible to fill it out even if they hate the idea. I don't control what happens, I only give more options. If you like it or you don't like it, you have to speak up so Gravity can hear what you want. If we didn't voice our opinions the game would be in a much worse state than it is. It might even be like Playpark (sorry, set myself up too good for that one xD) LOL I never actually played SeaRO but I feel WP is doing a much better job.

 

edit: I gotta learn to make smaller responses or I'm gonna have to start calling them chapters...


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#55 Greven79

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 02:07 AM

Greetings!
 
Just wish to remind you that although you are welcome to express your happiness or even your displeasure with an idea or concept it is never okay to actively attack anyone on the forums! We have edited your post to remove the AoE personal attack. By your own words you are aware that what you are doing is wrong and we ask that you please do not attack players or staff in such a manner again, this is your only warning!
 
Thank you for expressing your concerns regarding the proposed system change!

 
I've posted my question on the poll thread and it was deleted twice without any sort of information / feedback. So I am glad that you could finally spare a few seconds, but I'm curious why noone from WarpPortal had the decency to inform me before things escalated? See, there is a nice little functionality called "Private Message", so feel free to use it! Answering my original question would have used less time than educating me about bad manner.


In addition, for me it bares any logic, why you insist on a certain repsonse template although the poll isn't about Tiduspeco's suggestion... to quote:
 

And to answer your question, the poll is to keep or get rid of the current system. It is not whether or not my system should be implimented.

 
So there is a poll and I had a question about it, but I am not allowed to ask that question, because all the reply have to follow a certain template... Sticking to the proper template hoever would force me to answer questions that aren't about the poll, but about an 'unrelated' suggestion... WOW!

So maybe we have a different understanding about certain things, but if I would have started a poll, I would allow questions and comments on that poll. If there is a certain proposal and I am curious about the player feedback, I would started a different thread.  Mixing both doesn't make sense.
 

Resticting the answers isn't such a great thing in general. F.e.
 

Things I would change:  Keep the current refine rates for 1-20

 

I can't ask what he means by that, thanks to the silly reply pattern.

 

How can you keep the 'current refine rates', if there are TWO methods. It's either a decreasing success chance, but a fix drawback versus a fix success chance but an increasingly painful penality on failure.

 

But hey.... it's me who acts unreasonable, right?


Edited by Greven79, 14 August 2014 - 02:14 PM.

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#56 Tiduspeco

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 05:14 PM

WELL......can't say I didn't try. Looks like all that hard work fell on deaf ears. How......predictable.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 05:54 PM

And there was even a poll with a link to this thread and all. All those expectations, give them back Gravity D:


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 06:58 PM

Lmao I saw that too


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 09:57 PM

They weren't able to resize monsters and gears from raids and they were only a couple charts to modify, who made us think they could do something different about the refining?
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Posted 13 August 2014 - 03:33 PM

And there was even a poll with a link to this thread and all. All those expectations, give them back Gravity D:

 

Give me back all the time I spent on balancing charts, pet system, refinement system, and spirit system. I want that time back so I can do something more productive like put pantsu on a stick like a flag and charge through town naked.


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Posted 13 August 2014 - 09:56 PM

Give me back all the time I spent on balancing charts, pet system, refinement system, and spirit system. I want that time back so I can do something more productive like put pantsu on a stick like a flag and charge through town naked.

Interesting plan can i do it too? :3

Edited by Shinyusuke, 13 August 2014 - 09:56 PM.

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 01:14 PM

Can this project be revived?


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Posted 17 August 2014 - 03:57 PM

Can this project be revived?


Why bother? The developers obviously have no interest in implementing it.
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Posted 24 March 2016 - 08:52 AM

Bump for consideration.
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