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#1 1493130513225255233

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 08:47 PM

Now i am sure there is a similar post somewhere but i have looked and none i found have answered my questions to the extent i needed, so posting a new topic on these questions.

 

1:  Thief potion: of course the description of it pretty much tells what it does, but here is my question. when DNA farming typically with dungeon monsters(non bosses) is it worth it or should i not waste it. Also when it comes to bosses like Drake or Willow Worker is it pretty much pointless since they always drop something?

 

2: Dungeon reset: Of course many have complained and talked about this in game and not sure about it but is it a glitch or is there actually a time limit, yes i know you can reset it with a party or logging out but if the thief's potion does help more than one thinks it would be nice to know if this is glitched or timed.

 

3: Finally so i am not posting all over the place maybe someone can explain something that used to be very simple  while ago but now well i cannot figure out how to do it and that is refining. Aside from the equipment what do you need to refine i mean i just can't remember what one needed since i last did it on the old system with  level 30ish gear not gear 50+ so rather confused i guess.

 

Thanks in advance.


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Posted 26 May 2014 - 09:39 PM

1) I always stack drop buffs when farming DNA, no matter where, it helps. Sure, Drake and Willow drop weps, but drop buffs help with DNA/card rate, in my experience.

2) dung reset is kind of all over the place right now, it shouldn't have a time limit. donno, i think something broke it.

3) so yea now you don't use karnium/ori/elu, you use infinium to protect your gear from breaking, and polinium to actually refine. Instead of polinium, use lucky powder to give you a chance of jumping refine levels (instead of going +1 every refine), and blessing powder to give you an additional 50% chance of success.

You can refine on your own (anvil in your menu) or in other player's shops. Surprisingly, they're all kafra shop items, but right now the letters event give infinium. You can get blessing powders from the phantom pyramid, and lucky powders from ranking boxes/daily attendance.

Some players have golden refine (they're in morroc ch1 usually) which gives you a better chance at refining, so if you're refining and want to get to +20, look out for them.
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Posted 26 May 2014 - 09:57 PM

1) Thief potion should affect every droppable items (Dna,mats cards etc) from monsters and bosses altho bosses in dungeons have fixed item drops (armor, weps etc ) and personal loot (dna,mats,cards etc )

So simpky said incase ppl doesnt know item droprate effect boosts the actual item drop rate by that percentage..

Ok thiefpot increases drop rate by 50% so the effect goes like this...

If Dna droprate is 10% then with thief pot its drop rate is 15%.

So the item drop effect boots the STARTING percentage of item drop rate and the effect stacks first (guild,statue,vip buff,thiefpot,pet) and then that percentage is added to the drop rate.

100% droprate means double the chance to get as in 10% to 20%
20% to 40% etc.

Do note that actual droprate is way lower than 10% (in my oppinion) and is still based in what peopple say "luck" but means actually Gravity's RNG (Random Number Generator).


2) Dungeon reset button is bugged yes sometimes...

There is ways to reset dungeons

Create a party > wait 10sec and disband the party. Altho you can try pushin reset dungeon button while waiting 10sec IF you are the partt leader.
Only party leader in party can activate Reset Dungeon.

3) Refining is found in your BUG YELLOW BUTTON with a label MENU on top of your exp bar.
Right click the Bottom row , 4th icon fron left that looks like a anvil(if you hover your mouse there popup info shows up and there reads "Refining") right click that to open refining menu.

Now on to refining.

You refine your weapon/armor by inserting that to the slot that shows a sword(aka top slot).

Then you insert the refining material which can be Pollinium,Pure Pollinium,Lucky powder and Blessing powder (Blessing poder and Lucky powder are KP items as in Real Money materials which effect gives you better results (altho not good when thinking the price).
You insert ONE of those to the bottom left slot to be used as refining material.

The bottom right slot acts as protection slot, where you can place only INFINIUM.

Now the trick is here...if you fail the refining you will lose that gear UNLESS you used infinium for gear protection (infinium protects gear by totally and you lose infinium even if you succeeded.)

Now the worst part...

Refining has a scaling succession rate. Starting with 99% chance to success (Yes...it happens when failing from 0+ to +1...)

0>1 = 99%
1>2 = 90%
2>3 = 80%
3>4 = 70%
4>5 = 60%
5>6 = 50%
6>7 = 40%
7>8 = 30%
8>9 = 20%
9>10 = 10%

11-20= 50%

If you protected that gear with infinium then failing the refining drops the lvl of refining by 1... +6 > Fail > +5

But if you fail at +11-+20 there is a chance that its lvl can go to +10 if failed > +16 > fail > +10...

If using pure pollinium you success rate is increased by 20%
Blessing powder 50%
Lucky Powder has a chance that yoy can get an extra 1-2 lvls like from +6 to +8 or +9.

Master refiner pkayer vendor shops have increased success rate idk how much but not that much plus you have a small chance to get +1~2 lvls.

And succession rate increase affects like item drop increase

Blessing powder 50% increase so 59% chance is increased to 75% etc
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Posted 26 May 2014 - 10:19 PM

natsu explains things better than me hahaha. if you're still having trouble just ask in public chat, people are usually willing to help out.

Edited by lokasenna, 26 May 2014 - 10:20 PM.

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 11:12 PM

Well i knew where to refine now its just what do i use now, that was the main issue, as for the thief potion ok so it is wise to use it for bosses who do always drop something and i sort of guess it would help with dungeon monster who's DNA like Familiar do not have as many enemies to kill and chances of even getting a drop are not good.

 

As for the Dungeon Reset i ope this fix that soon cause I've been going solo into most places for DNA cause when you get a party or even 1 other person it can be tough to get the DNA you need. would be nice if DNA could be set to dice roll.


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 04:34 PM

Sorry for reviving an old thread, kinda confuse here regarding Thief Pots. Does it affect the number of materials being gather whether BS Ores, Fabric and Leather for Artisan, Ingredients for Chef and Chemist? Will it increase? :questionmark: 

 

Thanks! :p_laugh:  


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