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#1 Avngl

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 07:07 AM

Hello, I made a topic sometime back asking for a suitable place to level up in. 

 

Now I am level 126 and as recommended by a very helpful person, I decided to go to Scaraba Dungeon. My Gx stats are :

 

Str: 70+9

Agi: 96+12

Vit: 72+4

Dex: 40+1

Luk: 90+1

 

So having invested in luk, it would be a critical GX but at this level it takes a long time to gain experience if i were to hit 1 monster at a time. I feel that I am too squishy as I get hit / killed often. Went to Scaraba Dungeon and the damage that I was doing isn't good enough with a katar. Switching to a Grimtooth + ice pick combo deals considerable damage but i often miss as my hit rate isn't high enough.

 

Would using a Katar ( 3 x Hunter Fly Card) and a +9 Rideword Hat and a fire endow help? I plan to use rolling cutter as the scarabs would assist one another so a 1 on 1 battle only results in my death. I believe I have enough zeny to get other gears as well if you can recommend some.

 

Should I also do a stat reset? Perhaps more Str and Agi with moderate dex and vit and no luk? If these are good stats for leveling then I shall go ahead and do the reset and perhaps once I reach 150, I would reset the stats once again to reflect a crit gx build.

 

P/s: What other skills should I invest in? Right now, all i have is rolling cutter. No other GX skills have been added yet.


Edited by Avngl, 13 July 2014 - 07:10 AM.

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 08:26 AM

Do you have a HBP? Using the stat calc, at 126, you could have 90 in str/agi/vit with 70+ dex. You could go for even less str (str food is cheap) and more dex. Equips should help you get more hit (fs enchants on nab's cloth, rogue's treasure/vesper core 04).

 

Definitely get New poison research (it adds to duration of edp) and maybe cloak exceed (if you get in a bind you can backslide and cloak exceed to drop aggro). For the rest of the skills, depends on you, I took hallu walk for mvping and poisonous weapons for regular monsters that have annoying skills and/or large hp pools.

 

Fire converters (or an endow slave) will do wonders in there. RWH would be good for the SP leech (or vana helm or incubus pet). I didn't use malicious weapons for leveling, I like the 193 proc of the kvm waaay too much, but I hear good things about it, always carry some pots as backup tho.

 

If it's too hard at the moment, abyss lake is always an option till you get a few more levels.


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 09:12 AM

Do you have a HBP? Using the stat calc, at 126, you could have 90 in str/agi/vit with 70+ dex. You could go for even less str (str food is cheap) and more dex. Equips should help you get more hit (fs enchants on nab's cloth, rogue's treasure/vesper core 04).

 

Definitely get New poison research (it adds to duration of edp) and maybe cloak exceed (if you get in a bind you can backslide and cloak exceed to drop aggro). For the rest of the skills, depends on you, I took hallu walk for mvping and poisonous weapons for regular monsters that have annoying skills and/or large hp pools.

 

Fire converters (or an endow slave) will do wonders in there. RWH would be good for the SP leech (or vana helm or incubus pet). I didn't use malicious weapons for leveling, I like the 193 proc of the kvm waaay too much, but I hear good things about it, always carry some pots as backup tho.

 

If it's too hard at the moment, abyss lake is always an option till you get a few more levels.

 

Yes, I do have a +9 Immune HBP.

 

Would you recomend me doing a stat reset so my stats would be something like 90 str/agi/vit and 70+ dex? This is just to aid in leveling. Would it also be good when it comes to mvping or there's another set of stats for MVPing? I assume critical sinx are made for MVPing which was what my build was based on.

 

Didn't know about poison research adding duration of edp. I would definitely add that skill. I do have an imp hat so I thought of using it until I get endowed then switching to another headgear. I do have a KVM weapon (+7 Glorious Jamadhar. Waiting for Enrich for +9)  but I noticed that the criticals are really strong however normal attacks are sub par. Perhaps it's because of my low str? I do have a + 7 drooping alicel headgear for max aspd proc. 

 

As for pots, I mainly use a +7 Turkey on Your Head headgear that gets me eggs from monsters that I use to heal.

 

I'll try checking abyss lake out, but I assume that I should mob there as well instead of killing them 1 by 1, which means that I should most probably do a stat reset?


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 09:42 AM

Yeah, third classes are all about aoe skills, 1v1 is way too slow for the XP required. Well, up to you, I'd recommend resetting so you have an easier time with RC but you have the last word on it. :P

 

Depending on your gear, you can tweak stats, atm I have 100 str/agi, 96 vit, 50 dex and 90 luk on my gx, works fine so far (the only trouble I'm having is finding MVPs alive :v ).

 

As long as you exploit elemental weaknesses you should be fine. When you level, I always recommend people to try out the size of the mob. Like for starters, try 3 mobs at once. You barely lost hp? Great, try 4 and so on. Find a comfortable number and stick to that. Don't be afraid to flywing if things get hairy and don't be too greedy, the extra monster or two is not worth losing xp for, specially at later levels where 1% (or 3% if not vip) can be a lot.


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 03:49 PM

Do not waste your zeny or your magical stones on a stat reset. You are fine, just keep pumping vit and str.

 

Based on your level you will get max exp from scaraba, so its worth a shot at staying there to level if you can. You will most likely stay there until level 150. Best place for easy exp, imho.

 

You need at least 435 hit for antler scaraba.

Based on your stats and level(not including your gears), you have 372 hit (=175 + 126(your level) + 41(hit from dex) + 30(hit from luk)).

 

So that means you need another 63 hit.

I would invest in an agent katar, it adds 1 hit for every 2 base luk you have. So you will get another 45 hit from it based on your luck, plus it is slotted so you can put a mummy card in it for 20 more hit. That would give you an extra 65 hit. Or instead of a mummy card, you can cover the rest of the hit with a FS nab cloth, FS RWC rings, food buffs, vip buffs etc. Then you can use the slot for a damage card or hunterfly instead.

 

It is a decent weapon, with 170 attack and is level 3, so damage wise it should not be too bad, until you outlevel its usefulness.

 

When leveling in scaraba always, always, always, use fire convertors(cheap can buy in bulk for 5k a piece usually, check ragial) and edp, with rolling cutter, everything will die in a couple spins. On my gx i was doing 20k spins, everything dies fast. But do not be afraid to flywing if it gets too hard to handle

 

Skills for pvm only.

I would go max rolling cutter,

then cross ripper slash(helps for picking things off after rc),

then poison research for edp duration(can get a total of 90 second edp time when maxed),

then finish it up with hallucination walk,

and leftover points into poisonous weapon/pressure so you can use leech end and oblivion curse.

 

 


Edited by hmc317, 13 July 2014 - 03:50 PM.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 03:28 AM

Do not waste your zeny or your magical stones on a stat reset. You are fine, just keep pumping vit and str.

 

Based on your level you will get max exp from scaraba, so its worth a shot at staying there to level if you can. You will most likely stay there until level 150. Best place for easy exp, imho.

 

You need at least 435 hit for antler scaraba.

Based on your stats and level(not including your gears), you have 372 hit (=175 + 126(your level) + 41(hit from dex) + 30(hit from luk)).

 

So that means you need another 63 hit.

I would invest in an agent katar, it adds 1 hit for every 2 base luk you have. So you will get another 45 hit from it based on your luck, plus it is slotted so you can put a mummy card in it for 20 more hit. That would give you an extra 65 hit. Or instead of a mummy card, you can cover the rest of the hit with a FS nab cloth, FS RWC rings, food buffs, vip buffs etc. Then you can use the slot for a damage card or hunterfly instead.

 

It is a decent weapon, with 170 attack and is level 3, so damage wise it should not be too bad, until you outlevel its usefulness.

 

When leveling in scaraba always, always, always, use fire convertors(cheap can buy in bulk for 5k a piece usually, check ragial) and edp, with rolling cutter, everything will die in a couple spins. On my gx i was doing 20k spins, everything dies fast. But do not be afraid to flywing if it gets too hard to handle

 

Skills for pvm only.

I would go max rolling cutter,

then cross ripper slash(helps for picking things off after rc),

then poison research for edp duration(can get a total of 90 second edp time when maxed),

then finish it up with hallucination walk,

and leftover points into poisonous weapon/pressure so you can use leech end and oblivion curse.

Thank you both of you.

 

Managed to purchase an agent katar and upgraded it to +4. Added a mummy card to it.

 

Used an Imp hat to hit the eggs until I get the fire endow and then it would be replaced with a +9 RWH.

These are my gears:

 

+9 RWH

Spare Card

Sapha's Cloth (Carded with Sandman)

+9 immune Heroic Backpack

Eden boots

Bakonawa Agimat

Teleport Clip

+4 Agent Katar (Carded with mummy card)

 

With EDP, I manage to do 6 - 7k damage per roll. I could only mob about 3 - 4 of them at once and anything more gets me killed if i don't spam aloes fast enough.

 

How do I add more damage so I could do 20k+ damage?


Edited by Avngl, 14 July 2014 - 03:38 AM.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 04:35 AM

i personally use +7 Katar of Raging Blaze[3x Hunterfly] + +9RWh[Dark Pingicula]. never need to pot hp/sp. but i guess the down side of this would be your hp leech will depend on your damage, just like hmc317 said, Fighting Spirit enchanted gears helps alot to boost your rolling cutter damage. also get atleast a variant shoes or a gh boots. that will make you a bit more tankier to those mobs. hope it helps! :p_smile:


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:53 PM

With EDP, I manage to do 6 - 7k damage per roll. I could only mob about 3 - 4 of them at once and anything more gets me killed if i don't spam aloes fast enough.

 

How do I add more damage so I could do 20k+ damage?

1. Wow 6-7k is very low damage with EDP and fire endow. That is like my normal damage. I know this is a noob question, but are you using EDP level 5 or level 1? I ask this because I have skill reset my GX(s) before, and sometimes i would forget to change my hotkey from EDP level 1 to EDP level 5.

 

EDP is highly dependent on your equip attack. EDP level 5 will multiply your weapon atk by 5 times, and your equipment atk by 4 times.

So best way to improve your damage, is by adding more attack.

 

I was doing 20k damage because i had alot of attack.

High upgraded WBC with FS enchants/high upgraded KVM katar

FS Nab Cloths with porcellio card/peco peco card

+30 attack from HBP from 90 str bonus

+20 attack from dual RT from 90 agi bonus

 

I am in the school of thought, that for GX, offense is your best defense. I would rather load up on alot of attack/damage, with a high attack katar, so i can kill things fast so I take less damage. Than get a low attack weapon with hunterflys, and kill things slower while tanking more damage and hoping for hp leech proc -_-

 

2. Your gear needs improvement

 

Headgear = +9 RWH

This is fine, i used the same thing for leveling

 

Middle = None

Try to get an improved opera mask (+5 atk) or robo eyes (+2% atk)

 

Lower = Spare Card

This is okay, but i rather use a pirate dagger which is +5 atk (which gets multiplied by 4 with EDP)

 

Armor = Sapha's Cloth (Carded with Sandman)

Terrible armor, needs a definite upgrade, try to get a Nabs Cloth with FS enchants, then card it with porcellio for more attack or a peco peco card for more HP and survivability. Sandman card really does nothing for you in scaraba.

 

Garment = +9 immune Heroic Backpack

This is fine.

 

Footgear = Eden boots

Terribly bad, does nothing for you. Get variant shoes for more HP and survivability (cheap buy), or temporal str boots with FS enchants for more damage(expensive buy). Also you could go BSB combo, but that takes away two gear slots.

 

Accessory 1 = Bakonawa Agimat

This is okay, but its more of an end game accessory because it does more with better gear.

Based on you gears, the 7% atk only adds +13 atk(7% atk is only applied to your equip + weapon attack)

Based on your stats + gears + awake pot+ no other buffs/items, the 10% aspd puts you at 186.04 aspd which is okay I guess. Without bako, you would have 184.83 aspd.

 

Accessory 2 = Teleport Clip

Either use this on switch(hotkey it) or use flywings, waste of a slot when you are attacking.

Replace it with one of the following

Nab ring = +10 atk, can also be enchanted for more HP/SP/stats etc.

Vesper Core = +10 atk & +3 str

Rogue Treasure = +10 atk/crit with 90 agi and +10 flee/hit with 90 str

Ring of Flame Lord = +15 atk & +2 str

RWC Ring = +1% atk + can be enchanted up to +28 atk(perfect FS3/FS3)

Bako Tattoo = or you can get another one of these xD, another 10% aspd would put you at 187.25 aspd.The faster you spin, the faster you deal damage.

 

Weapon = +4 Agent Katar (Carded with mummy card)

Try to get this up to +7, or at least +5 which is the safe limit because it is a level 3 weapon. At minimum you get an extra +5 atk for every refine level.

 

3. Now if you can't break at least 10k damage with EDP + endow after adding more attack, i would level somewhere else instead. Because with at least 10k damage it should only take you 6-7 RC spins to kill instead of the 10-11 RC spins you are doing now, which should help your survivability immensely, It would cut the time you are tanking damage almost in half. Plus you should also be able to tank more damage anyway if you choose to get variants or peco peco card, because GX have the second highest HP modifier in the game.


Edited by hmc317, 14 July 2014 - 09:56 PM.

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 02:19 AM

1. Wow 6-7k is very low damage with EDP and fire endow. That is like my normal damage. I know this is a noob question, but are you using EDP level 5 or level 1? I ask this because I have skill reset my GX(s) before, and sometimes i would forget to change my hotkey from EDP level 1 to EDP level 5.

 

EDP is highly dependent on your equip attack. EDP level 5 will multiply your weapon atk by 5 times, and your equipment atk by 4 times.

So best way to improve your damage, is by adding more attack.

 

I was doing 20k damage because i had alot of attack.

High upgraded WBC with FS enchants/high upgraded KVM katar

FS Nab Cloths with porcellio card/peco peco card

+30 attack from HBP from 90 str bonus

+20 attack from dual RT from 90 agi bonus

 

I am in the school of thought, that for GX, offense is your best defense. I would rather load up on alot of attack/damage, with a high attack katar, so i can kill things fast so I take less damage. Than get a low attack weapon with hunterflys, and kill things slower while tanking more damage and hoping for hp leech proc -_-

 

2. Your gear needs improvement

 

Headgear = +9 RWH

This is fine, i used the same thing for leveling

 

Middle = None

Try to get an improved opera mask (+5 atk) or robo eyes (+2% atk)

 

Lower = Spare Card

This is okay, but i rather use a pirate dagger which is +5 atk (which gets multiplied by 4 with EDP)

 

Armor = Sapha's Cloth (Carded with Sandman)

Terrible armor, needs a definite upgrade, try to get a Nabs Cloth with FS enchants, then card it with porcellio for more attack or a peco peco card for more HP and survivability. Sandman card really does nothing for you in scaraba.

 

Garment = +9 immune Heroic Backpack

This is fine.

 

Footgear = Eden boots

Terribly bad, does nothing for you. Get variant shoes for more HP and survivability (cheap buy), or temporal str boots with FS enchants for more damage(expensive buy). Also you could go BSB combo, but that takes away two gear slots.

 

Accessory 1 = Bakonawa Agimat

This is okay, but its more of an end game accessory because it does more with better gear.

Based on you gears, the 7% atk only adds +13 atk(7% atk is only applied to your equip + weapon attack)

Based on your stats + gears + awake pot+ no other buffs/items, the 10% aspd puts you at 186.04 aspd which is okay I guess. Without bako, you would have 184.83 aspd.

 

Accessory 2 = Teleport Clip

Either use this on switch(hotkey it) or use flywings, waste of a slot when you are attacking.

Replace it with one of the following

Nab ring = +10 atk, can also be enchanted for more HP/SP/stats etc.

Vesper Core = +10 atk & +3 str

Rogue Treasure = +10 atk/crit with 90 agi and +10 flee/hit with 90 str

Ring of Flame Lord = +15 atk & +2 str

RWC Ring = +1% atk + can be enchanted up to +28 atk(perfect FS3/FS3)

Bako Tattoo = or you can get another one of these xD, another 10% aspd would put you at 187.25 aspd.The faster you spin, the faster you deal damage.

 

Weapon = +4 Agent Katar (Carded with mummy card)

Try to get this up to +7, or at least +5 which is the safe limit because it is a level 3 weapon. At minimum you get an extra +5 atk for every refine level.

 

3. Now if you can't break at least 10k damage with EDP + endow after adding more attack, i would level somewhere else instead. Because with at least 10k damage it should only take you 6-7 RC spins to kill instead of the 10-11 RC spins you are doing now, which should help your survivability immensely, It would cut the time you are tanking damage almost in half. Plus you should also be able to tank more damage anyway if you choose to get variants or peco peco card, because GX have the second highest HP modifier in the game.

EDP is at its max level.

 

I believe I would just need to get gears that adds the attack as you have suggested.

 

Thank you so much for your help and detailed post. I appreciate every bit of it. 


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 08:03 PM

hmm about what hmc said i disagree with using hunterfly cards i hit for 10k with edp no endow with a +10 double hunter fly katar saves u all the trouble of backing out and lossing time to get more pots and u have a +9HBP and not 90 vit are u for real? lol no wonder u get rofl stomped also ur gear and stats gotta fix em all u dont need reset just pump vit/dex in massive amounts till ur 90 vit and 58 dex or close to 60 u can also use cursed hands if u need extra hit and god get some atk gear as they said more dmg u deal less dmg u take because u kill faster i like diabol armor with porcelio gives HP, dex/str, nab with FS works great 2 i am just 2 lazy to switch for it double RT is the best acces u can get for lvling in my opinion if u got money or BSB combo and 1 RT for more dmg if u dont have temp str boots with FS. and nvm u also got 70 str idk what where u thinking when u put stats str/agi/vit main stats then either luk or dex just enough to hit i lvled with just 58 dex to 150 never had issues hitting anything with ur stats its just gonna take for ever to lvl but its possible since u dont have 90 str dont even think about RT u wont get full bonus, cursed hands are cheaper to help u hit stuff first u gotta hit them then worry about dmg.


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Posted 19 August 2014 - 09:36 AM

there's some good points in the above post but man i had trouble processing that without the requisite comma breaks.


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