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#1 Siliency

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 06:56 PM

Hi guys, my main is a Hybrid Ninja (almost Kagerou) and I want to create an alt for PvM/farm and with a remote chance... MvP, since I'll MvP with my Kagerou.

 

So I was thinking about a GX or SC, any suggestion and why?

 

PS: The build would be:

SC = Auto Cast
GX = Hybrid Critical/Dagger


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#2 AlmrOfAtlas

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:22 PM

GX is far-and-away the better PvM class of the two. SC can cast Arrow Storm but it'll have relatively low damage compared to a Ranger's AS, and otherwise they can't hit the numbers you'll need to PvM effectively. GX on the other hand can get incredible DPS with a full crit + crit boosters (Fatal FAW or HBP with 90+ LUK works well), 193 aspd Katar build. DD GX is heavily specialised and you'll need excellent gear for it, so I don't recommend a DD build.

 

SC is really just a PvP machine. The class does nothing in PvM that other classes can't do better, and their natural skills are all PvP-specific.

 

I'd rethink MVPing on your Kagerou btw. It's incredibly difficult to kill anything over White Lady and without proper understanding of how each MVP works you'll just be dying and losing EXP. Hell most Kage/Obo MVPers have difficulty with GTB, otherwise known as the easiest of all MVPs. If you're trying to follow Facekiller's example, you should know that he's a special kind of player, and he's far more skilled than most other ninjas. Don't try to emulate him as you'll probably just get frustrated.


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:35 PM

Sorry for getting this off-topic but seriously, Kag/Obo MVPers have difficulty with GTB?

I can say I'm not a bad player (but not a good one either, not even close to average) but GTB is easy. Facekiller gave me pointers how to solo ET and at around ~120 I can solo it up to Drake.

For SC, I think it's not that bad for PvM, although I'm not sure about MvP. Maybe just level until High TI range and start farming Raydrics? /heh
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:56 PM

GX is far-and-away the better PvM class of the two. SC can cast Arrow Storm but it'll have relatively low damage compared to a Ranger's AS, and otherwise they can't hit the numbers you'll need to PvM effectively. GX on the other hand can get incredible DPS with a full crit + crit boosters (Fatal FAW or HBP with 90+ LUK works well), 193 aspd Katar build. DD GX is heavily specialised and you'll need excellent gear for it, so I don't recommend a DD build.

 

SC is really just a PvP machine. The class does nothing in PvM that other classes can't do better, and their natural skills are all PvP-specific.

 

I'd rethink MVPing on your Kagerou btw. It's incredibly difficult to kill anything over White Lady and without proper understanding of how each MVP works you'll just be dying and losing EXP. Hell most Kage/Obo MVPers have difficulty with GTB, otherwise known as the easiest of all MVPs. If you're trying to follow Facekiller's example, you should know that he's a special kind of player, and he's far more skilled than most other ninjas. Don't try to emulate him as you'll probably just get frustrated.

 

Hi, thank you for your answer. I was thinking more about a Auto Cast build + CD in Mouth build for the SC but yea he's very limited for PvM and a GX can do the farms much easily. About the build of the GX its a Hybrid of Critical and DD, so I'll be able to do "all" MvPs (if I decide to MvPing with this one)

 

Question 1 - A friend that will quit this week will give me a CD in Mouth, it can be effective on a GX as well?

 

About Kagerou MvPing... yes I know that is hard but thats why I wanna try. I like a challenge. I'm in Facekiller's guild too.

 

I'm playing the Renewal for the "first time" but I played RO for a long time, so I kinda experienced player.
 


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:15 PM

Sorry for getting this off-topic but seriously, Kag/Obo MVPers have difficulty with GTB?

 

Yeah they do. A lot of aspiring Ninja MVPers get caught by GTB's summoned mob and panic, losing CSS almost instantly and dying shortly thereafter. Due to Kage/Obo's naturally low HP mod it doesn't take much to be killed either.


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 03:51 AM

Yeah they do. A lot of aspiring Ninja MVPers get caught by GTB's summoned mob and panic, losing CSS almost instantly and dying shortly thereafter. Due to Kage/Obo's naturally low HP mod it doesn't take much to be killed either.

 

I can imagine. My first attempt to kill GTB with my first Knight I did something like that. But now I feel much more comfortable in "panic" situations.

 

 

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So, I decide to go with GX. Leveling as Assassin you guys would recomend a Crit Build - a bit of DEX for skiils (with Morrigane's set) or a Grimtooth build?
 


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:00 AM

Crit build. Just make sure to get enough DEX to hit with SB, knowing that Acceleration will somewhat compensate for your HIT. Grimtooth is still an excellent skill for leveling in dangerous areas without drawing aggro, but I wouldn't rely on it if you've got Morrigane's FLEE and PDODGE on hand. High ASPD crits will be more damaging overall.

 

Consider investing in two Fortune Swords for additional PDODGE, playing to the strengths of your Morrigane. You'll make an excellent puller in TI with it.


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:12 AM

Ok. Thank you again. I don't really like the idea of TIs but I'll keep an eye on a cheap Fortune Sword.

 

About the stats build (using Morrigane's set), something like:

STR 80+10

AGI 90+10

DEX 40+8

LUK 40+13

 

will be enough? Or do you suggest some DEX?


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:33 AM

Despite what I and many other people say, TI is still the best way to level and will get you used to functioning in a party setting, relying on others. The sole problem with TIs is that sticking only to that form of leveling won't prepare you for the end-game, and it certainly won't do anything for your performance in WoE. Everything in moderation.

 

40 DEX in that build should be fine for leveling as an Assassin, even if it is the bare minimum. You can dump your excess points into INT (18 points or so) if you have trouble maintaining SB, otherwise using the remainder to boost DEX to 47 would be a decent idea, which will boost your HIT by a respectable amount and your status attack marginally.

 

With 40 LUK and the full Morri set you still won't have "perfect" CRIT even when paired with a Katar, so you may also want to invest in Soldier Skeleton cards or Racial Crits for your weapon.


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:45 AM

Also the problem with TI's is that fact that once you hit Mid TI, GXs really aren't popular for parties, since most parties want a good healer (ABs) and AoE characters (Sorcs, Warlocks and Rangers), so even if you do get into a party being a GX isn't that useful since the AoEs just kill everything before you can make a meaningful contribution. Sorry to sound kinda negative, but it's just a word of warning about Mid TI coming from someone who mains a GX.


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:46 AM

Thank you. I saw that I'll not have perfect credit. (74 or something close to that). About TI, at least the low level one, I don't know how I can improve my knowledge to play in a party, since I already experience as a puller. My experience with low level TI was for me (I did not play as Healer nor AOE though). But ye, I agree with you, leveling in TI is an easy way to get to 99 =)

 

 

Also the problem with TI's is that fact that once you hit Mid TI, GXs really aren't popular for parties, since most parties want a good healer (ABs) and AoE characters (Sorcs, Warlocks and Rangers), so even if you do get into a party being a GX isn't that useful since the AoEs just kill everything before you can make a meaningful contribution. Sorry to sound kinda negative, but it's just a word of warning about Mid TI coming from someone who mains a GX.

Thats is not a problem, being honest. (IMO, of course). But thanks to point that out.


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 11:34 AM

I don't recommend CD because of its skill delay from bolt skills.

You can't back slide or RC when you need to.


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 01:05 PM

Sorry for getting this off-topic but seriously, Kag/Obo MVPers have difficulty with GTB?

I can say I'm not a bad player (but not a good one either, not even close to average) but GTB is easy. Facekiller gave me pointers how to solo ET and at around ~120 I can solo it up to Drake.

For SC, I think it's not that bad for PvM, although I'm not sure about MvP. Maybe just level until High TI range and start farming Raydrics? /heh

 

not really after you get your clone MVPing is pretty easy especially as magic build


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 10:54 AM

As much as I like Shadow Chasers, I wouldn't recommend going SC unless you really love the class.  As others have pointed out, leveling is a nightmare, even with really good gears.  Once you get up to 135 at the absolute latest Arrow Storm leveling in Nogg2 or Niff 1 is no longer an option, so you either do TI's where you'll be more or less useless, or you *hopefully* have hybridized enough to switch to a Shadow Spell build and start soloing places like Thors or Nameless.  I haven't really leveled a GX, but I can almost guarantee it's going to be easier than Shadow Chaser, not to mention with crits you'll have more MVP potential since you don't have to worry about missing on high flee MVPs.


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 11:16 AM

GX is more of an offensive / PVM class. SC really is an extremely PVP / WoE oriented class.

There are ways for SCs to level up but they definitely aren't easy and won't be very mainstream.

For high TI, you can gear an SC up to tank with lots of pots and fundamentally you aren't very different from RKs / RGs. Actually any class can "tank" the same and the only really game-changing thing about classes is mental strength on Suras (which makes them walk slow as well).
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Posted 13 August 2014 - 06:50 PM

dont waste money on mirrigan set just get +9 rwh and double/tripple HF katar +9 getting to 70 requires no real gear at 70 u just do ti backslide pulling do it safe no need gear just some vit and on mid TI u forget about parties just bring wings and converters u dont need edp till high TI rly and bring elemental armors if the mobs of current week demand it and ur good to go solo lvling just need high vit decent dex and some str/agi.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 10:05 AM

Mid TI is sooo nice as GX i was 2 days in the mid TI range because i solod the whole days and went to 126
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