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#1 Fighter

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 06:59 PM

From time to time I usually see people buying a +12BxB in Eden. I'm curious as to what you guys would need it for except for the fact that you can switch arrows. 

 

Can you one shot everything in high turn ins with 1 arrow storm compared to an Elven bow?

 

A +0~10 Elven Bow [Archer Skeleton] is not enough for you?

 

What can a +12BxB kill in 1 arrow storm that a +0~10 Elven bow can't kill in 1 arrow storm?

 

What do you do with it?

 

I know that it also depends on the other gears that you have but assume that they're the same and used with both BxB and Elven bow. 


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#2 DonatoX

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 07:30 PM

BXB is increase the damage of Arrow Storm depending on refine level as well as increasing SP consumption of the skill. and It has 2 slots. ^^


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 10:17 PM

You can also enchant it (you have a high* chance of breaking it tho).

 

* Personal experience. YMMV


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Posted 11 August 2014 - 04:33 AM

My example would be that you are able to get more ranged damage increments compared to AS damage increments from gears, and that BxB is a level 4 weapon, has higher atk and 2 slots instead of elven's 1.

BxB increases AS damage by 5% per refine level, thus a +12 would provide +60% AS damage, comparable to a kingbird elven bow, except with more atk and 2 slots free. Element changing is easy too, all you need to do is equip the right arrow element.

To expand on the ranged damage increment comparison I mentioned, lets say I have purely ranged damage and AS damage increments as modifiers only.

I have +70% ranged damage and +50% AS damage boost total for example.

Lets also say without boosts I do 10000 damage.

With the boosts applied I do 10000 * 1.7 * 1.5 = 25500 damage.

Now, if I receive another +60% ranged damage on top of that(kingbird elven)

Ranged: +130% total
AS: +50% total

damage: 10000 * 2.3 * 1.5 = 34500 damage.

If instead I get 60% AS damage(+12 BxB):

Ranged: 70% total
AS: +110% total

10000 * 2.1 * 1.7 = 35700 damage

Notice how the the BxB would give more damage, even without taking into account difference in atk and cards?

The larger the amount of ranged mods you stack, the lesser the impact of more ranged mods, and the larger the impact of AS damage increment mods.

If you have really good gear, lots of ranged increments, BxB would be much better. This is also why it's better to put racial cards into a BxB, since they would provide much more damage than putting 2 Archer skeleton cards into it.

Hope this helps.

I've seen someone using a BxB do 200k damage under camouflage with AS, and I'm pretty sure you can't reach that with a kingbird elven...
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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:18 PM

Ah I see now. Those modifiers and multipliers really do make a huge difference. Thanks for the posts guys.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:31 PM

Note that it's all about the refine rate of that BXB - If you can't afford to go past +9, stick with the kingbird elven. 


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Posted 15 August 2014 - 09:09 AM

It also gives aspd +1 if you have 120 base agi.


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 06:28 PM

It also gives aspd +1 if you have 120 base agi.

 

that's not good compared to elven's 50% more damage.


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Posted 28 August 2014 - 06:29 PM

but you can have more than 50% more AS damage and also 1 aspd more

 


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 05:37 AM

that's not good compared to elven's 50% more damage.

 

I understand where you're coming from and the 50% more dmg is appealing.

 

I can get 193 ASPD with the BxB and I mostly rely on hit locking and let the Warg deal the dmg.

It's just my personal preference.


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 08:14 PM

BXB gives you preference to use any elemental arrow you'd like, while Elven Bow need Elven Arrow to max the damage.

 

BXB gives you +1 ASPD if you have 120 AGI.


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 09:04 PM

im noob to ranger but ranged dmg doesnt effect warg right? Then that alone would negate elven bow.


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 06:47 AM

yes of course..if %ranged bonuses were to effect the warg damage, then elf bows would have been the ultimate weapon for this class.


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 07:02 AM

Well, in any case, the elven bow bonus is only for skills that result from the elven arrows. So non-arrow attacks won't be affected.

 

If it does,

 

Warg Strike = 1,000% ATK (inclusive of +300 ATK from Tooth of Warg)

With Elven's 50% ranged bonus and +9 WW Set's 48% ranged bonus = 1,000 * 1.98 = 1,980% ATK

 

I waaant! XD


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 12:13 PM

just a side note; i don't really play ranger but i'm guessing immaterial arrows on BxB are nice vs a GR+DR defaulter =P


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