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[CrazyVines]

Well i was looking for the thread about this discussion but i don't found the thread. What happens? Campitor said that he would make a new one test, where is the Results?. I'm very curious about this thread because i want know if i need to make a reset of status or no.

Edited by CrazyVines, 25 August 2014 - 06:05 PM.

[lightdrizzle]

I too am wondering what happened to the pinned thread.

[ZeroTigress]

Someone used Fus Ro Dah on it.

[KiyokoHasami]

Lol, it got unpinned and is now on the 2nd page, still locked. I wonder what happened~

[Tkwan]

Someone used Fus Ro Dah on it.

 

[lightdrizzle]

So everyone is just supposed to forget about it?

[Kieri]

Yep never admit you're wrong.

[KyrieDielle]

Ha! They are trying to drown the issue.

[Inubashiri]

We had a 3 hour meeting on it and some other issues, I think Campitor and some community member did some testing on it on Sakray.  Waiting for them to get into work to touch base.

[Necrohealiac]

WP takes the fifth.

[AmonRA]

hmmm i see why i cant found campitor post where him toldme about next test...

 

[thatfool]

that awkward moment when they are realize they dont have a clue on what they need to test.

[KyrieDielle]

while testing:

 

"da ef is this?" "da ef is that?!"

 

"wat da ef r we doing?!"

Edited by Kaishun, 26 August 2014 - 08:55 AM.

[AmonRA]

Those GMs Skills are too OP for me

 

Nerf lv 10 (Use when they think the enemy use cheats)
Cloaking Exceed lv 5 (use when reach 60% HP or less)
Summon slaves lv 1 (Summon CMs to protect from critical attacks)
Silentium LV 10 (When they cant use Nerf lv 10, automatic cast a full AoE that disable skills from enemy in WoE Maps forever)
Ban LV 1 (Use when HP is 5% or less)

[Campitor]

We have decided to not nerf Dragon's Breath for now. Right now were working to try and get the best cast speed that can naturally happen. Then we will show that to the GM team as well as a video of no delay and create new guidelines for reporting no delay on renewal so that any suspensions that do happen will stick without a bunch of What Ifs being thrown at us and the GM team.

 

 

If you think you can chain this skill better please let me know via pm and I will test your build and update the example skill.

[Toxn]

So in other words nodelay is legal because the GMs can't decipher what is and what isn't nodelay? Okay.

 

You're still not anywhere near the speed as the reported players are and you still at some point complete your animations. Sure you can chain every now and then like literally everyone can but you aren't chaining hundreds of DBs with ease like a cheater would.

 

No build difference would change this.

[HeIIraiser]

'Dragon Breath' fire swords - Dan Miethke

Edited by HeIIraiser, 26 August 2014 - 11:38 AM.

[Divine]

You're even using a macro to spam DB and it isnt close to the reported RKs speed. What more evidence do you need that he is cheating? 

Edited by Divine, 26 August 2014 - 11:15 AM.

[meli]

You gm just have to consider there's no way you can keep up a "perfect" pace for db like the one on previously reported videos with woe as laggy as it gets, not even if you're close to the server. I'm sure you guys have already got examples of what is humanly possible and what isn't

[Sirolrex]

We have decided to not nerf Dragon's Breath for now. Right now were working to try and get the best cast speed that can naturally happen. Then we will show that to the GM team as well as a video of no delay and create new guidelines for reporting no delay on renewal so that any suspensions that do happen will stick without a bunch of What Ifs being thrown at us and the GM team.

 

 

If you think you can chain this skill better please let me know via pm and I will test your build and update the example skill.

 

 

Just install nodelay and then test.  You'll see you spam it exactly like the RK in the reported video, then you can see what is and isn't cheating and you can finally ban someone. 

Edited by Sirolrex, 26 August 2014 - 11:26 AM.

[Campitor]

So in other words nodelay is legal because the GMs can't decipher what is and what isn't nodelay? Okay.

 

You're still not anywhere near the speed as the reported players are and you still at some point complete your animations. Sure you can chain every now and then like literally everyone can but you aren't chaining hundreds of DBs with ease like a cheater would.

 

No build difference would change this.

There seems to be a miscommunication. No delay is not legal but as always before we do any ban we need to be 100% sure. The GM team will be publishing their new set of no delay reporting guidelines for the renewal server. This is to allow the GM team to view the report in a natural game setting that can be verified as free from all possible client edits, video edits, and any other reason that a report can have a shadow of even the slightest doubt cast over it. They want the bans to stick without anyone raising any sort of What If in regards to the legitimacy of the ban. 

We are also pursuing a development side fix with kRO and are attempting to demonstrate a no delayed client versus regular client in a live environment to them.

[lightdrizzle]

Closer, but... x______x

[Myzery]

Someone made these to showcase how absurd DB can be when you're cheating.

 

 

RPE + No Delay + AHK (10 ms)

 

 

No Delay + AHK (10 ms)

 

 

AHK only (10 ms)

 

 

 

 

Dragon Breath CAN be chained on a legitimate client. However, the sprite is forced to complete the full attack animation when the timing is messed up, whereas with no-delay, you'll notice there are "half-whiff" animations, wherein the "messed up timing" animations are incomplete. This "half-whiff" is NOT possible without no-delay.

Edited by Myzery, 26 August 2014 - 11:36 AM.

[Inubashiri]

There seems to be a miscommunication. No delay is not legal but as always before we do any ban we need to be 100% sure. The GM team will be publishing their new set of no delay reporting guidelines for the renewal server. This is to allow the GM team to view the report in a natural game setting that can be verified as free from all possible client edits, video edits, and any other reason that a report can have a shadow of even the slightest doubt cast over it. They want the bans to stick without anyone raising any sort of What If in regards to the legitimacy of the ban. 

We are also pursuing a development side fix with kRO and are attempting to demonstrate a no delayed client versus regular client in a live environment to them.

 

I'd like to add to this, we know how its being done, in its several forms, the question now is will kRO approve of what is being asked to counter it.  A plan is in place and the wheels are turning.

[Hissis]

i know a easy way to solve this problem,bring the DB nerf from kRO,btw,bring the RT NERF for SC too