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#1 WhiteSpiritYuki

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 06:02 PM

Hi hi~ I got a question about general etiquette in the TI dungeons.

 

I am fairly new to the TI but from what I can see, normally in the low tier TI dungeon, a mass of people in different classes and from all different parties tend to clump tightly together in a big group somewhere a little down from the entrance. I gather that this is because the place gets pretty mobby with aggro monsters. People who are really strong would walk around the map but I guess those who are less strong feels safer clumped together for protection. Things get pretty busy around this massive group and everyone is just killing everything they see as fast as possible and lots of AOE skills.

 

Normally if I am playing with my GX or ranger I would venture around the map since I am fairly confident to handle the mobs. But yesterday I was doing the low TI with my high wizard for the first time. I was in a party with my friends. We aren't too confident about straying too far away so we were clumped together in that large group with a mix of other people. There were all different parties there and a mixture of different classes. There were alch/biochem/gene with their homunculi, priests, hunter/snipers, wizards etc. Everyone was just killing everything and a lot of AOE stuffs were happening - wizards were continuously casting storm gusts, LoV, ranger doing arrow storm, homunculus S using their AOE skills etc etc. It's pretty chaotic (as it usually is!) with lots of AOEs happening and lots of homunculi running after monsters. 

 

I was casting storm gusts like the other wizards on the map when suddenly I saw one alchemist put up a chat window (using it as a sign) saying that I was ksing off homunculus. When I saw that my first reaction was to apologize. I was pretty embarrassed because he pretty much put up a public sign saying I was ksing and it is never my intention to ks anyone ever. So I apologized and left the map immediately because I really did feel ashamed by the sign. It all happened really quickly and I don’t even know if anyone else saw the chat sign but I was embarrassed anyway. I just wanted to get out of there asap.

 

But after I got out, I was thinking about it… and I am not sure if I could be considered ksing. I mean it’s pretty common for wizards to cast AOEs there. They are just continuously casting it. Sometimes I don’t even know if it is my own storm gust or someone else’s because things just get so busy there. And there are other classes doing AOEs there as well, like rangers were arrow storming and geneticists were cart cannoning. Everyone is just killing everything in sight. And it’s not like everyone standing there is from the one party so it’s not like I was intruding on one party. It’s literally a big clump of people there tightly packed together! I mean if you want to call it ksing then isn’t everyone technically “ksing” off everyone else? Everyone is AOEing and attacking over each other. In a way, is this not the point why people stand together in a tight pack like this in the first place? The people who are standing in this big pack are all in a way relying on everyone else’s “ksing” to keep everyone alive with a collective effort to kill everything in sight because they cannot handle it away from the big group. If you were confident you could handle it then you would move away to a less populated spot right? Ironically this alchemist who was saying I was ksing actually couldn’t handle the mobs and he kept running right inside the big group for protection every time he was getting mobbed hoping that the other people standing there would save him. Technically speaking can I not also say he was “ksing” me since I started casting my storm gust already and his homunculus started attacking monsters that were already in my AOE space?

 

So now I am really confused and I don’t want to go back into the TI with my high wizard until I find out what the etiquette is. I mean I have never considered anyone else to be ksing off me in the TI and especially if you choose to stand in the big group just a bit down the entrance where a lot of action is happening. It’s just so busy there! But I don’t want to be accused of ksing myself so I wish there is some kind of clarification so I know what I can and cannot do. For example, is there a rule as to who can stand in that big group down from the entrance? And are people not allowed to cast AOE skills there? (Because casting AOE standing there you are inevitably going to be “ksing” someone since everyone is killing everything that comes near.) 


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#2 stygionyx

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 06:07 PM

That's the point WhiteSpiritYuki.

You either KS or get KSed.


Edited by stygionyx, 15 September 2014 - 06:08 PM.

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 06:12 PM

KS is commonly happen if there's a Genetics (CCanon & Homo) & Ranger (AS) around VIP TI.

get used to it.  :p_sad:

 

 


Edited by Spooky34, 15 September 2014 - 06:22 PM.

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 06:13 PM

just don't AOE the monsters being lured by other characters not in your party.


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 06:16 PM

LOL ok. um well I don't' have any issue with the "KSing", especially since I chose to stand in the big group. I am cool with other people doing AOEs. It was the alchemist that was chucking a fit about it and told me off for casting the spell. So I just wanted to make sure what I was doing was ok that's all.

 


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#6 AlmrOfAtlas

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 06:18 PM

Where's that etiquette table Camp made? He should really pin it for quick referencing.


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 06:20 PM

Sounds exactly like what happened to a fellow guildie of mine when he was hanging around in low TI. Man, some good laughs were had.

 

It's probably not a good idea to take that dude who accused you of KSing seriously, especially if he thought it was a good idea to set up camp in a place where most players gather up anyway.

 

So long as you obey the usual "First come, first serve" rule, you should be good to go. :p_hi:

 


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 06:52 PM

Should I Kill This Monster?

 

Is the monster an MVP? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster summoned from a Dead Branch or Bloody Branch? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster from Hocus Pocus or from Polymorphing? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster currently attacking you? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster idle and not attacking anyone? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster not an MVP, from a DB, BB, Hocus Pocus or Polymorphed, being tanked by someone else, and they have specifically asked you for help in killing the monster / are in your party? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster not an MVP, from a DB, BB, Hocus Pocus or Polymorphed and attacking someone else or their Homunculus? -----> LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE

Is the monster not an MVP, from a DB, BB, Hocus Pocus or Polymorphed and moving toward someone else or their Homunculus? -----> LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE

 

Special cases arise if people are holding up the spawn by not killing what they're tanking (coughcough HPs holding Mini Valks for their party to kill eventually coughcough) or holding up the spawn by gathering large mobs, but those cases are more for the CMs / GMs to decide on.


Edited by Ralis, 15 September 2014 - 06:54 PM.

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#9 Hikusaak

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 07:10 PM

^Was going south in the map,soloing on my Geneticist,passed a camping party,met a puller going north with mobs,mobs changed target to me,killed them,the puller said it was KS.

Such wonderful logic.
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Posted 15 September 2014 - 07:24 PM

Should I Kill This Monster?

 

Is the monster an MVP? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster summoned from a Dead Branch or Bloody Branch? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster from Hocus Pocus or from Polymorphing? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster currently attacking you? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster idle and not attacking anyone? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster not an MVP, from a DB, BB, Hocus Pocus or Polymorphed, being tanked by someone else, and they have specifically asked you for help in killing the monster / are in your party? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster not an MVP, from a DB, BB, Hocus Pocus or Polymorphed and attacking someone else or their Homunculus? -----> LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE

Is the monster not an MVP, from a DB, BB, Hocus Pocus or Polymorphed and moving toward someone else or their Homunculus? -----> LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE

 

Special cases arise if people are holding up the spawn by not killing what they're tanking (coughcough HPs holding Mini Valks for their party to kill eventually coughcough) or holding up the spawn by gathering large mobs, but those cases are more for the CMs / GMs to decide on.

 

*clap* *clap*

 

saving this for future reference.


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 07:29 PM

^Was going south in the map,soloing on my Geneticist,passed a camping party,met a puller going north with mobs,mobs changed target to me,killed them,the puller said it was KS.

Such wonderful logic.

 

Another sort of grey area... I think the proper etiquette in most situations like that is to just fly wing / teleport (or to at least do your best to avoid the path of whoever is pulling), but it really is up to the pullers to attack the monsters / use a Valk Mant or Filir Hat to deal some reflect damage so their pulls stay on them.


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 07:31 PM

I normally dont condone KSing; I get KS'd quite a bit when I try to solo down there, but KS the afkemists to your heart's content. Nothing but legal botters is what those fools are.


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 07:39 PM

My own feelings aside, KSing Homunculi is not allowed, whether they're "afkemists" or not. Please don't try and insinuate otherwise.


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 08:38 PM

I normally dont condone KSing; I get KS'd quite a bit when I try to solo down there, but KS the afkemists to your heart's content. Nothing but legal botters is what those fools are.

 

Hey I smack stuff with my little axe heal my homunculus and feed it. I'm never AFK.


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 08:47 PM

I only KS people when they are just off screen, and I barely see a mob(not intentionally KSing, but accidentally because I don't see the person just off screen), or when they walk their mob onto the tank that's in my party. I try not to KS people, but I do admit, it does happen every now and then. I try to say sorry to the ones I do accidentally KS, but unfortunately, some party leaders like to really spam the GWings.


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 10:13 PM

Pretty sure it's not KSing within the area that people recruit at. Players tend to recruit on top of homu parties too however because it's safe. Others then begin to cast on top of the homunculi making those pokemon levelers feel KS'd. 

 


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 10:21 PM

Hey I smack stuff with my little axe heal my homunculus and feed it. I'm never AFK.

 

Then I wasn't talking to you :P

 

I have three genetics, a biochemist, and several alchemists, but I have never afk'd a single one of them.

 

Two of them were 99'd before homunculus or renewal ever even happened, so I get a little annoyed in this day and age when leveling is 100x easier than it used to be, when I see lazy afkemists. Especially the ones who complain that leveling is so slow. 


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 10:45 PM

etiquette? what etiquette?

 

i would say that little entrance area in low TI where everyone gathers is where everyone KSes the most. avoid that area if you don't want to KS or be KSed. you can always camp in a corner somewhere if you don't feel confident enough to move around. for high wizard, it's actually pretty easy. just keep casting safety wall on yourself in between casting your AoE. have a couple of pullers and you're all set for a camping party


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 12:16 AM

Seems that gene doesn't understand how things work in low. Homus protect people doing recruiting and parties protect genes with their creatures, while waiting. It's a nice coexistence. No KSing, unless you really stalk one person all the time.
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Posted 16 September 2014 - 01:07 AM

Hoikarnage I reported you and for the record You suck deer testicules.

 

Adittionally..1+2 = 3. (Sleep on it)

 

Almr... you're next


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 01:57 AM

Almr... you're next

 

Oh wow someone said my name! Am I a celebrity now?

 

Hi mum! Hi dad! I finally made it to the top! I'll pay off your mortgage when my first cheque comes in!

 

Adittionally..1+2 = 3.

 

Half Life 3 confirmed?

 

@topic, it's pretty hard to judge whether you're KSing someone in TI at times. For example, when two walking parties meet, entangle and start fighting the same monsters, or when you're not paying attention and following a party that isn't your own. The whole "offscreen" issue raised earlier comes into play a lot as well, as you simply can't see beyond a certain distance and have no idea whether the monsters you're targeting are attacking something offscreen, are victims of poslag (and don't appear to be moving even though they are, because RO is stupid like that) or just moving around randomly as they're want to do.

 

Usually players in TI have some level of tolerance for KSing. One misplaced spell or an errant skill isn't enough to be considered harassment and many people ignore those things; it's when a player intentionally casts over another player or party, repeatedly and clearly, that it becomes KSing instead of a mistake.

 

If you PM the player that accused you and honestly state that you were in the wrong or unaware, they'll usually forgive you, especially if you've never done it to them before. If they don't, in all honesty, it's their problem and they need to deflate their ego a bit.

 

As for the afkchemists at ent, they need to realise that players will "KS" them quite a lot since, at least 90% of the time, their homunculi are also set to attack indiscriminately in order to get kills in the first place and they've chosen to grind in a location that they know will be inundated with active players.


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 02:08 AM

Should I Kill This Monster?

 

Is the monster an MVP? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster summoned from a Dead Branch or Bloody Branch? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster from Hocus Pocus or from Polymorphing? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster currently attacking you? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster idle and not attacking anyone? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster not an MVP, from a DB, BB, Hocus Pocus or Polymorphed, being tanked by someone else, and they have specifically asked you for help in killing the monster / are in your party? -----> KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Is the monster not an MVP, from a DB, BB, Hocus Pocus or Polymorphed and attacking someone else or their Homunculus? -----> LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE

Is the monster not an MVP, from a DB, BB, Hocus Pocus or Polymorphed and moving toward someone else or their Homunculus? -----> LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE

 

Special cases arise if people are holding up the spawn by not killing what they're tanking (coughcough HPs holding Mini Valks for their party to kill eventually coughcough) or holding up the spawn by gathering large mobs, but those cases are more for the CMs / GMs to decide on.

 

Not sure what to do, I tried using a fireblend but only did 50 damage
 


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 02:53 AM

just say sorry if you accidentally KS-ed someone, and dont stalk them. KS is a continous action, not a single act that can be considered as mistake.
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Posted 16 September 2014 - 06:40 AM

Officially KSing is terrible in TI, but unofficially if you are standing in the recruit area, or if the homun party is parked in the recruit area, it's fairly accepted that things are going to die by whatever random hand that sees them first. A party with strong homuns should move out farther if they're really concerned about kill counts.

 

If you're elsewhere in a map, try to avoid other parties and especially soloers unless they ask for help. I would rather die than have someone 'help' me repeatedly by sniping the monsters I was perfectly capable of killing.

 

Also, people need to learn how to mob. So many times this week I've been mobtrained by a lazy peco. My rule has always been if it's hitting me, I will kill it. However, this depends on the monster. If it's a messy monster that switches I usually wing away. 

 

And a final note, don't solo with grimtooth in TI. Just don't do it. 


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Posted 16 September 2014 - 06:46 AM

And a final note, don't solo with grimtooth in TI. Just don't do it. 

 

Does autofollowing them with sight/ruwach active count as skill abuse?  :p_devil:


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