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#1 rerp

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 11:57 PM

1. Hiding Exceed
From what I've read here, people don't take this skill. Is this true? Why not?
Is it not beneficial or satisfying to be running with 30% faster move speed on top of Shadow Form? Doesn't that bring you from 130% to 160% (in Shadow Form)?
Or do they not stack? Or is it an issue with skill points since everything else to get to it is a waste? Or is it bugged? Or is it simply useless to have the extra 30% based on players' experience?
I'm currently leveling an assassin, and I'm extremely tempted to get maxed Hiding Exceed when I change jobs.

2. Poisoning Weapon
Same question: "From what I've read here, people don't take this skill. Is this true? Why not?"
But as for this one, I'm not entirely sure about it either, so I haven't put any points into it nor the prereqs.

3. Combo Mastery and Double Attack
Do people max this? Why or why not? I've been using Cross Impact for the most part, btw.

I plan to use this skill build, but first taking Shadow Fang and re-skilling later at level cap, or move points around based on what people think of the questions above. Adjustments I am considering are those such as leaving Shadow Fang in the final build if I were to forgo Poisoning Weapon.
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Edited by rerp, 18 September 2014 - 11:58 PM.

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 03:41 AM

i guess the answer for 1 is its not really useful late game. once you reach ML 30 you wont need that much running anymore. actually once you ML1 you kinda dont need it. they allocate those 4 pts somewhere else that does dmg


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 03:55 AM

1.) Hide exceed- yes other than running a bit faster than everyone else in hide it's pretty much a useless skill, and those points not only to get to it, but to max it can be placed somewhere more desirable.

2.) Poisoning weapon- thay skill is like the biggest LOL, especially for Sin which you waste points just to get to it, it's a useless dot imo and those points can be used somewhere else that will give MUCH more damage.

3.) Combo Training and double attack- this is just opinion based (like everything else I say) but combo training is a pretty bad passive which is wasted on maxing as a sin, the proc rate while it may seem to proc at lvl 3 doesn't proc as often as lvl 1 really in my experience, double attack is like your main skilll when everything is on cd I would always max that -_- o_o
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 05:59 AM

As a sin moving faster is always good even on hide..its just you have more damaging skills that you would prefer to be maxed.

For myself id really prefer to have that max moving speed on hide but its a tough decision. >.<
(Well for me for the most part )
Especially when youre aiming for PvP spec, have to put skill points on those imba damaging skills.
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 06:21 AM

Hide Exceed:

The reason is that there are too many other speed enhancing effects in the game (wind pots, guardian, ymir, shadow form)... as well as some teleport-attacks. So most players prefer to spend the points elsewhere... and if you're not doing any PvP, it's completely useless.

 

However, I would like to see how many Assassins would argue about having no speed, if you remove Hide Exceed and Shadow Assault as well (noone maxes that one either). And of course, noone maxes Hide either, right? Because leveling that skill doesn't do anything but increasing your movement speed... This skill also has another advantage over Shadow Form ... but 'psssst'.

 

I maxed it and I 'till now I don't regret it.... but we could ask the rogues if they want it instead.

 

Poisoning weapon:

Well, the DoT damage doesn't seem to be that great anymore. Fix the DoT & defense formulas and that skill will be seen again. But i would enjoy it, if the poison would do a bit more than just plain damage. An additional debuff would be great. Doesn't have to be a powerful one... or it might require stacks first. (And at least much better than adding a random bleed to Rolling Cutter).

 

Combo Training // Double Attack:

Honestly, I don't understand the "if everything else is on cooldown" statements. Vigor is currently one of the most powerful honings available and 40% should be easy to achieve. So beside a 6sec Shadow Explosion, a 6sec Shadow Strike, a 5sec Cross Impact, there isn't much time left to spam DA... and PvP fights tend to be over before you could make a significant use of the extra damage for leveling that skill.

 

For the same reason, Combo Training is hard to judge but most likely not worth that much. On contrast, Shadow Fiend seems to ignore the defense rate (haven't tested it thouroughly, but it does more damage than other 220% damaging skills).

 

So that's the skill build I am aiming for. Once I don't need the AoE anymore, I might consider to spend the points elsewhere, but in that case, I doubt that I will prefer Combo Training or Double Attack over Poisoning weapon.


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 07:01 AM

Hiding Exceed is not useful -- 3/3 hide is enough. You already have an innate 30% movespeed bonus and will run faster than other classes with other movespeed items. The only time it's good is in WoE where you want to get places as fast as humanly possible, and access to Meteor Assault is nice for the spammable AoE from hide to reveal other stealth. Since it's only in hide I don't think it's worth the points, it doesn't hold any true merit in PvP due to re-hiding actually being a colo bug and when dueling people it's usually a gentleman's agreement not to use hide because it's pretty broken.

 

I'm a user of poison weapon and wouldn't want to spec out of it. I don't really agree that "assassin can't afford to spend points here".. if you don't invest into hiding exceed, you have plenty since grimtooth 10/10 isn't mandatory anymore in the slightest. Poison weapon has won me duels where you want to stay the hell away from people (warriors) and it's just generally a nice passive that you don't have to think about that "just deals damage". It's nice for PvE, it's like an extra pet DPS.

 

I have DA at 5/5 just because there isn't anywhere else I want to put points into, and hey, PvE DPS. I actually have shadow fiend at 1/3 because it never really seemed to do much for me. Like Greven said Vigor is the most OP stat in this game, all of your hones should aim to get as much vigor as possible and aim for osiris+ cards. With this high of a vigor count, combo training becomes more and more relevant since explode will be off cooldown more.


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 07:40 AM

Mmm I see things I agree with and don't agree with but generally it's all dependant on what kind of build you want and your own personal play style so its all just personal opinion, so *shrugs and walks away*

Edited by deathdelete, 19 September 2014 - 07:41 AM.

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 05:38 PM

So that's the skill build I am aiming for. Once I don't need the AoE anymore, I might consider to spend the points elsewhere, but in that case, I doubt that I will prefer Combo Training or Double Attack over Poisoning weapon.

 

This is the closest to what I'm going for, except I'm probably maxing Shadow Form.

 

As for everyone's comments on their preference on the skills, it's really hard for me to come up with any concrete conclusion as I'm merely speculating and I haven't reached ML on a Sin yet. D: But working from the build from Greven above, if everyone else didn't take Hiding Exceed, where did the 5 points go? (or 4 since some will max Shadow Form) This is considering that people won't take Poisoning Weapon either.


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