11 replies to this topic

[LoLitsNeal]

Hello everyone. Recently got my Champ transcended into a Sura after leveling to 99 twice =P

Basically I have spent a lot of zenny and time prepping and reading about what build to start as and I was honestly expecting to be better off than I feel at this time.

 

I am currently 100/10 with Sky Blow maxed and thats about it, but I was thinking I would have an easier time than I seem to be having.

 

My current equipment are as follows.

+9 Rideword

Goib Armor (10%hp boost)

+9 Heroic Backpack (Raydric)

Variant Shoes

+7 Carga (Double Hunter Fly)

Valk Shield (Hodremlin)

Vit glove

Str glove

 

My stats are

90 STR

50AGI

50 VIT

50 INT

60 DEX

1 LUK

 

With this gear and build I was really expecting to do some massive damage and be fairly tanky with all the reductions in my gear I am wearing. Upon heading to GH to kill some Anolians to take advantage of spotlight (which my agility based level 97 Cross can kill with ease) To my dismay I still get hit for like 300-400 per hit and my sky blow only does like 3k. So when I am mobbing I either die way too fast or am forced to take on only like 2-3 mobs before i have to sit and regen hp/mana.....

 

Am I doing something wrong? I really am hoping to spend as little on potions as necessary considering how broke I am from gaining my current equipment. Advice is appreciated.

 

I was going to continue to dump points into vit, but i almost feel like if I am still taking loads of damage maybe I should just get my agility as high as possible for the time being until i switch builds around level 130 or so? At least this way I could not get hit when mowing down 2-3 mobs as opposed to losing half my hp bar for a few mobs.

Edited by LoLitsNeal, 05 October 2014 - 11:07 AM.

[ka10]

witch's pumpkin hat + alarm mask + pumpkins would be the best solution

hotkey the WPH and your RWH; default RWH and switch to WPH and pot w/ pumpkins if your HP drops below 50% for example

gather mob, snap to a wall (lure them), then snap behind them (mob is now trapped between you and the wall), then spam skyblow;

the wall keeps the mob right next to you despite of the knockback effect so they keep getting damaged as long as you keep skyblowing;

if you can get maybe 450+ flee, that's probably ok - but only for 2-3 mobs, anything more and you start getting hit anyways (more likely on higher level mobs with high HIT);

i personally would not rely on flee, and maybe start adding some VIT so you can tank more mobs, ~10 or more at a time, so your SB hits more enemies (essentially more damage output per SP used);

of course you can still add AGI for bonus SB damage;

don't forget about HIT (DEX) especially when switching to a different (higher level) map;

Edited by ka10, 05 October 2014 - 11:55 AM.

[LoLitsNeal]

Thanks for the response Ka10, you are always super helpful on these forums.

Also I have heard about the WPH but it seems very difficult to afford or find one on the server atm for me at least=/

 

Without that option though, what would the benefit of pumping vit be? Seems like it would cause me to have a larger hp pool allowing me to stay alive easier while mobbing (which I get and is nice) but as far as the downtime goes seems like it would not help in that scenario.

 

Think I might just go home and basically respec to

50 STR

90 AGI

50 VIT

50 INT

60 DEX

1 LUK

 

Then I could just skyblow the heck outta 2-3 mobs, save mana on not having to heal myself after fights, and save a ton of money not using pots. I lose my STR from backpack but at least Skyblow scales off agility which might help supplement the damage loss.

Edited by LoLitsNeal, 05 October 2014 - 12:30 PM.

[ka10]

the thing is that a lot of mobs you may encounter have such high HIT rates; with 90 AGI you may end up somewhere around 370~ flee, which is not a lot;

thought that's probably fine if you are fighting one monster, as soon as a 2nd/3rd one comes in, you start getting hit a lot;

SB damage-wise, STR should be better since it is factored in statusATK and weaponATK, and getting 90 base gives you 30 equipATK from HBP

also, it's nice to have an alt sage for elemental endow (ex. water for magma dungeon 2);

hotkey spiritual sphere absorption and use it (shift-click on monster) whenever you get the chance when SP drops below ~40%;

once you get RD10 and PA (~job lvl 33), you won't have any SP problems anymore - but that may take a while to get to;

suggest to keep your current stats (90 STR, 50 AGI);

 

 

[pickleee]

I'd suggest to keep your current build as well and start pumping some points into VIT

[LoLitsNeal]

Nice ok, thank you as well Pickle....

So instead of creating a new topic, reading guides I see them all say Power Absorbtion is very nice for SP gain...

How is this different from SSA? It says on all targets in a 5x5 radius, but wont i be the only one with spheres?

[Rusti]

it restores 1% of max sp for each sphere, which (depending on how much sp you have) can restore more than spiritual sphere absorption

 

up until you get rising dragon i don't think it makes much more of a difference

Edited by Rusti, 05 October 2014 - 05:59 PM.

[ka10]

PA works best with RD 10 (15 spheres for 15% of maxSP gained per PA); you can go from low SP to full in about 30 sec (PA has 5 sec cooldown)

w/out RD, PA only yields 5%, in which case SSA on a monster is probably a better choice (though w/ 10% success chance);

if other shura (or any other class that had spheres on them) is within the 5x5 area around you, using PA will also absorb their spheres (so possible to gain a lot of SP, or annoy allied shura);

though SSA is the skill to use for stalling purposes vs other shura (PvP/WoE); PA is rarely used (close range, 1 sec global delay, and you lose your own spheres);

Edited by ka10, 05 October 2014 - 07:07 PM.

[kasshin]

Keeping your HP up really is a big focus for AOE leveling, and WPH + Alarm Mask is a good long term investment since many characters can use it (especially if you become good at the hotkey swapping headgears method as ka10 mentioned). But since it's quite expensive right now, you may have to explore other options.

1) Snowier carded accessories x2 is a pretty good option too. I think you might need to be married to go to Jawaii to buy Ice Cream though.

2) Fresh Fish are not too bad, but you'll be spamming a lot of them while using two hunter fly cards.

3) Luckily for you you have the acolyte heal skill. Assuming you maxed it, you can switch to a high MATK staff or healing weapon to heal yourself with it. You can also switch other stuff like headgear to Ygg Crown for that too. In the middle of battle you still need to have some kind of potion just in case the mob gets too big though, and healing would be for after the mob is cleared or mostly cleared. Use the methods mentioned by other people above to regenerate SP for healing.

4) Reductions and stats wise you are not bad already. One thing to consider is a more specialized shield for the 30% race reduction.

5) Rudolf heals for half of what WPH + Alarm Mask does and is an option too.

6) WoE investment may be able to get you condensed whites for cheap.

[Tofu]

Without that option though, what would the benefit of pumping vit be? Seems like it would cause me to have a larger hp pool allowing me to stay alive easier while mobbing (which I get and is nice) but as far as the downtime goes seems like it would not help in that scenario.

Vit increases the effectiveness of potions. You'll still take roughly the same amount of damage, but it'll take fewer potions to heal back up.

[LoLitsNeal]

Appreciate the replies everyone!

 

So here is what I ended up doing. Firstoff, let me say that I never knew you could use SSA on enemies, the mana regen is VERY nice compared to sitting waiting. Also, I bought a cheap high Matk staff and use it in between fights to heal for almost 25% mroe per heal.

 

The last thing I did was I did in fact respec to a main agility spec.

Currently now I am

68 str

90 agi

30 vit

40 int

60 dex (Edited, this is 60, not 30)

1 luk

 

I am going to continue pumping up str until 90 and then work on vit until 95 leaving my agility at a solid 90.

 

Basically using SSA mana is no longer as much of an issue which is very very nice. I must say, having high agility is amazing so far. I maxed evade in the monk tree for an extra 15 flee and bought an alicel card for another 10 in my leather jacket. So far the same mobs that were tearing through my hp and mana can barely touch me anymore.... when mobbing I take less damage than when i was vit because when i use skyblow it knocks them away and when they run back up to me their first hit or two still miss due to not all having the same pathing pattern. On top of all this, when i need to get full mana, i just grab 1 enemy and SSA until full mana while he is unable to hit me as opposed to getting hit for 200-400 a pop while trying to repeatedly use SSA which would reduce its usefullness drastically i would assume.

 

It sounds like flee will fall off drastically as i level, but so far the lower 100s it is 100% amazing and I am glad I respecced. To boot my Skyblow damage is alm,ost identical to when i had str and agi swapped. Anyone have experience the same as this? When did you notice flee start to fall off. Being level 100 soloing level 108 anolians they very rarely hit me. I am hoping to change to Raydrics when I gain another 5 levels or so. (Would go to Magma but the double xp in GH is too good to pass, not to mention the loot is a lot better)

 

 

Edited by LoLitsNeal, 06 October 2014 - 02:34 PM.

[PervySageMarty]

I say don't worry too much about not finding any WPH. It is almost Halloween and that means the spooky lucky box is most likely going to have them in if you dont mind spending the kafra points trying to get one, it will still work out cheaper than buying it at market price.