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[LTpain]

dex is for fast cast right

sorc and wl can do instance cast, so what is the use for dex? and reduce cast time?

should I have dex at 1?

[spikexp]

If you can get 100% cast reduction thru gears then you don't need DEX at all.

Afaik DEX and cast reduction % are multiplicative.

Also, afaik too, WL can't insta-cast since they have most of their skills with Fixed Cast Time.

Take a read about cast time here.

[Kadelia]

Dex does carry other benefits such as matk, hit, and aspd

[stygionyx]

When you go to PvP/WoE, make sure you got FCP'ed 24/7. Many victims with 1 dex have been reported being fully stripped and molested by a gang of perverted chasers.

[cory]

I'm not a big fan of 1 DEX builds.  In fact I think its really, really dum dum.  But that is OK because everyone is different and I like that.  Like Like Like lotz.

 

 

 

EDIT: Here, in fact I will give you 2 builds to reference.  Ultimately its your character and choice.  You can even go 100 agi/autocast warlock/Sorc for all I care. ( actually sounds fun)

 

150/50

 

Str: 4

Agi: 1

Vit: 96 (for 100% stun/certain status immunity)

INT: 120

DEX: 100

LUK: 62

 

MATK: 275 BASE

 

OR

 

Str: 5

Agi: 1

Vit: 94 

INT: 120

DEX: 1

LUK: 115

 

MATK: 272 BASE + 100% gear dependent on cast time reductions.  Get stripped? Have fun with a 15 second cast time lolololz

Edited by cory, 09 October 2014 - 05:10 AM.

[Tofu]

That second build isn't optimized, so of course it looks like a terrible idea.

4 str
1 agi
96 vit
120 int
62 dex
100 luk

That gives you 7 more matk. It gives MORE matk than your first proposed build. That's the reason people drop dex; to deal more damage. Not just because they have 100% cast gear.

EDIT: if you specifically meant 1 dex, not low dex, then I can agree it would be less than ideal, unless your goal was to stack vit/str/agi for defensive reasons. The 2nd build still doesn't show any good reason for that distribution, however.

Edited by Tofu, 09 October 2014 - 07:43 PM.

[Kadelia]

I assumed the higher LUK was for status resistance to things other than Divestment

[cory]

I just don't want people trying to do a build with 1 DEX.   

This build as mentioned previously is viable.  just pleazzz dont go 1 dex

4 str

1 agi
96 vit
120 int
62 dex
100 luk

 

[Lapphy]

i have a 1 dex build. i use it for Pvm. its quite fun. 

[kasshin]

People who talk about 1 dex builds realistically get 20-40 dex or more (or they should) for small bonuses like matk for a more balanced build. 1 dex just "sounds" more impressive or is just to emphasize they aren't relying on dex at all for cast reduction.

[Lapphy]

isn't it 5 dex per 1 matk/atk? vs luk at 3 per 1 matk/atk C/D

I found that with magic variance, the 10 matk i could possibly get from -dex- stat is better off for something like Vit, or Luk, (with 120 base int)

 

For a warlock, matk matters more, so i would not skimp out on the extra matk points, but for a sorc, the damage variance is almost negligible imo. 10 matk isn't much. Maybe like triple digit more dmg per spell cast hit? ~100 more dmg?

[Kadelia]

i have a 1 dex build. i use it for Pvm. its quite fun.

Have a 120 dex build for use with dex time boots. Its also fun

[spikexp]

1 DEX Sorc is awesome. Specifically Hindsight xD

[Lapphy]

Have a 120 dex build for use with dex time boots. Its also fun

 

 

already do. I have 8 sorcs. I just like bigger numbers/more damage. It was -_-ty till about 115, 120, when i could start pumping int.

Edited by Lapphy, 13 October 2014 - 07:14 AM.

[Kadelia]

 I have 8 sorcs.

 

wow~ you're like, with sorcs the way I am with wanderers~

 

 

I just like bigger numbers/more damage. It was -_-ty till about 115, 120, when i could start pumping int.

 

Hmm! Mine does a lot of damage even with low INT since I get most of my MATK from gear (such as skull cap combo). Or maybe we have different standards for what is good damage in pvm?

[cory]

Have a 120 dex build for use with dex time boots. Its also fun

 

 

How is that btw?  I just now am getting familiar with the temporal boots.  0.5 second fixed cast time reduction is freakin awesome!  !!

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does it stack with radius? please tell me your experience *sits downs*.

[Kadelia]

I absolutely love those dex boots with sorcerer and warlock. You can cast very fast on warlock and near instant if not instant on sorc. I like cast speed a lot, as long as the damage 1 shots

[cory]

Yea it looks fun on warlock. Although, it most likely is strictly PVM as you would have

120 INT and DEX

80 VIT

4 Luck 

 

Dex boots could potentially open a new build for WL, where you get no points in Freezing Spell or even no Reading spellbook.  Sounds like a bad idea, but you never know since you can free up alot of skill points.  WL is already tight in that regard as it is.

[Lapphy]

@ Jaye high damage to me is 20K+ with the correct elemental shift per PW hit. something like 1 shotting imps (was it 2 TI's ago?) with diamond dust. no int proc on the shoes.

 

410 int after shoes proc = base 1230 matk in damage calculations before the addition of matk+ equipment. 

 

 

But dex shoes are fun, don't get me wrong. I love fast cast without the reliance of a ventus. Makes me have close to instant on the spell cycle and allows me to summon whatever i want, but im still like 5-7k off what my damage could be with the int GH shoes.

Edited by Lapphy, 14 October 2014 - 11:22 AM.

[Kadelia]

Eeesh sounds like you're doing sleipnir and such. That's not a fair comparison to time boots !

[Lapphy]

no sleips. +12 int GH shoes Spell 5/runaway magic

[PervySageMarty]

I absolutely love those dex boots with sorcerer and warlock. You can cast very fast on warlock and near instant if not instant on sorc. I like cast speed a lot, as long as the damage 1 shots

 

I absolutely agree with this. Of course there is no way for a warlock to 1 shot the mobs at the high TI but I am leaving people going WTF when i cast CR and ES in like half a second and Comets in 2 seconds flat, screw the reading spellbooks, REC SPELL + AMP + COMET = WIN!!!