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#1 lightdrizzle

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 01:49 PM

So EDP works off of equipment attack alone right? So would it be better to get FIghting Spirit or ATK +% for the mora enchants? I'm trying to figure out the ATK formula, but I don't really get what happens. I'm guessing if the equipment gives +30 ATK, that is straight into the equipment attack category. But +% would alter all four ATK categories? How do I calculate my equipment attack from the status window ATK?

 

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#2 ShinKokuryuu

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 06:02 PM

EDP affects weapon and equip attack. +% atk effects also only affect weapon and equip attack.

FS enchants are usually better because they give a good fixed amount, like say 18 atk from FS 5, compared to say... 3% atk boost. You'd need 18x33.33 = roughly 600 weapon and equip attack total to make 3% atk be better than FS5.

For calculating your equipment attack, it's best not to look at your status window. They just mash all the equip and weapon attack and put it there, which isn't accurate. You should just count the +atk gears you have and refine bonus for equip atk, then increase that amount according to +% effects you have.

Refine bonuses for level 3/4 weapons:
Lv3: +5 equip atk per refine level
Lv4: +7 equip atk per refine level

you can look at the ATK page in the irowiki for the full attack calculation formula~

EDIT: also, EDP is x5 weapon attack and ×4 equip attack.

Edited by ShinKokuryuu, 13 October 2014 - 06:03 PM.

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 06:06 PM

If the ATK+% from enchantments work like any other ATK+% gears, it should work only on WATK+EATK (shown as the ATK after the +) like EMH/The Sign (or so my friend said). So if you already stacked like 400+ WATK+EATK, then ATK+3% will beat FS3 for sure. Also, EDP also works off of both WATK and EATK.

Ofc, I'm not 100% sure about this so cmiiw.

EDIT: Damnit, ninja'd.

Edited by spikexp, 13 October 2014 - 06:09 PM.

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#4 hmc317

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 06:35 PM

So EDP works off of equipment attack alone right?

 

No. EDP works on both "equipment" attack and "weapon" attack. EDP does not work on "Status" attack.

Attack is split into three categories.

 

"Status" Attack = attack based off stats(str, dex, luk), EDP does not effect this.

 

"Weapon" Attack = attack based off your main hand weapon, includes refine bonus, EDP multiplies this by 5.

(ie, if you have an ice pick on your main hand, your weapon attack is 80 or if your using a katar your weapon attack is 148, etc)

 

"Equipment" Attack = attack based off gear, EDP multiplies this by 4.

(ie, cards(hydra, skel worker, andre, etc), enchants(fighting spirit, atk%, etc), gear(bsb, rofl, bako, etc))

 

So would it be better to get FIghting Spirit or ATK +% for the mora enchants?

Normally fighting spirit is better. ATK% is only better if you have very high weapon+equip attack already.

 

 

I'm trying to figure out the ATK formula, but I don't really get what happens. I'm guessing if the equipment gives +30 ATK, that is straight into the equipment attack category. But +% would alter all four ATK categories? How do I calculate my equipment attack from the status window ATK?

Lets compare the highest mora attack enchants

 

(ATK 3%) and (Fighting Spirit 6)

 

(Fighting Spirit 6) = 21 attack (equip type)

 

(ATK 3%) = attack depends on your total weapon and equip attack, does not work on status attack

so lets say you are using a wild beast claw = 160 attack (weapon type)

and are also using a bloodied shackle ball = 50 attack (equip type)

(ATK 3%) = (160 + 50) x (0.03) = 6.3 attack, rounded down = 6 attack (equip type)

 

As you can see in this example 21 attack(Fighting Spirit 6) is alot higher than 6 attack(ATK 3%).

 

You would need more than a combine total of 700 attack (weapon + equip) to make (ATK 3%) better than (Fighting Spirit 6)

 

edit: i type tooo sloooooow, everything the guys posted above me, +1


Edited by hmc317, 13 October 2014 - 06:36 PM.

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 07:24 PM

So how does str calculate into EDP damage?


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Posted 13 October 2014 - 07:28 PM

So how does str calculate into EDP damage?

 

edit: it does work, only on "str bonus" part of weapon attack


Edited by hmc317, 13 October 2014 - 07:55 PM.

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 07:35 PM

So could i technically have 1 str and still do the same damage?


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Posted 13 October 2014 - 07:53 PM

So could i technically have 1 str and still do the same damage?

 

actually str does get effected by EDP in a small way

 

i forgot about the "str bonus" part of weapon attack, this part is effected by EDP

 

"str bonus" = base weapon attack x (str / 200)

 

so if you have 100 str, and use a wild beast claw (160 attack)

 

"str bonus" = 160 x (100/200) = 80 attack (counts as weapon attack)

 

with EDP = 80 X 5 = 400 attack

 

if you only have 1 str

 

"str bonus" = 160 x (1/200) = 0.8 attack

 

with EDP = 0.8 X 5 = 4 attack

 

so basically the higher your base weapon attack is, the more gains you see out of strength stat, as well as some gains in EDP too


Edited by hmc317, 13 October 2014 - 07:56 PM.

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#9 lightdrizzle

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Posted 14 October 2014 - 04:04 AM

This is great info thanks guys.

 

hmc, are those the stats of your GX?


Edited by lightdrizzle, 14 October 2014 - 04:05 AM.

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Posted 14 October 2014 - 04:45 AM

attack divided by 2 in stat window: A + B. A is status atk, comes from str, dex and luk. B is weapon and equip atk. any atk % enhancing effect only affect B part.
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Posted 14 October 2014 - 04:21 PM

eATK bypasses the size modifier. So, for small and large size, FS3 may work better than ATK 3%.

I prefer FS than ATK% bonus because I can get HIT bonus. 


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