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[raventails]

i think there is too less option for bow stalker/sc

really hope there are few more available choice

and i heard ppl talking about orc archer bow..

seems nice but cant be slotted nor hidden enchant

wonder will dev ever consider adding in future

[Frike]

orc archer bow + steel arrows is pretty good. with my 150 SC I can do 30k+ dmg with arrow storm using that set (bow at +12)

 

I heard catapult is really good as well but i've never used it so I cant tell you if its better than orc bow, well it has 2 slots and can be enchanted

Edited by Frike, 15 October 2014 - 02:26 PM.

[spikexp]

Let's say OAB + Steel Arrows grant you 120 ATK and +50% ranged damage. Slap in a converter and you'll set.

Double Racial Catapult with 2x EA3 enchant means you'll get 150 ATK plus around ~44% more damage against certain race. It's not arrow-dependant so you might as well get a higher ATK arrow and slap in converter, or just use respective elemental arrow like Holy/Poison/Immaterial arrow (tho you can get Holy from Aspersio/scroll, Poison from Sin's Enchant Poison, and Shadow from Cursed Water).

OAB is level 3 and Catapult is level 4. If you upgraded both to +9, Catapult wins by the amount of ATK. Even stronger when you compare both at +12.

But then again, getting EA6 on a Catapult is just as painful as hoping for EA1 enchant on a BXB. Tho I never do Biolab enchants myself so I can only do rough math on this, and let's just say getting a perfect Catapult is far harder than getting a nicely upgraded OAB.

[MonkeyMajik]

Let me throw another bow into the mix, was playing around today and made a +7 EA 6 Rudra. Obv compared to catapult you lose the slots but it's a lot easier to enchant (malangdo over biolabs) and if you make use of elemental arrows it can do higher damage compared to un-elemental OAB at same refine.

[spikexp]

On the paper, since Rudra's a level 4 weapon, ATK-wise, it'll rule out OAB.

As for its enchantment, let's say EA6/6 is the best one you can get (God knows how many Seagods you'll need). No slots. That means you'll only get +24% ranged damage benefit. It's halfway there before it can compete with OAB + Steel Arrows. Even a simple double racial Catapult will beat Rudra's EA6/6 easily.

Another consideration is, even without a single enchantment, double racial Catapult grants 40% more damage. Also correction to my previous post, I guess double racial + EA3/3 gives around 56% more damage (not 44%). That's only if my calculation is correct.

[MonkeyMajik]

Yeah, more realistically though how does a double kingbird catapult compare with OAB?

[spikexp]

Ranged damage mods stack multiplicatively with other damage mods, in this case, racial.

As for Catapult's case, let's divide it into two cases (racial/kingbird) where you wear +9 FAW with EA10 (+24% ranged damage). Say that you dish 10k AS damage, using either clean Catapult or OAB, with no garments on.

Double Racial

+40% racial damage mod
10,000 * 1.24 (FAW Bonus) * 1.4 (racial damage mod) = 17,360

Double Kingbird

+20% ranged damage mod
10,000 * 1[.24 (FAW Bonus) + .2 (ranged damage mod)] = 14,400

Racial Kingbird

+20% racial damage mod
+10% ranged damage mod
10,000 * 1[.24 (FAW Bonus) + .1 (ranged damage mod)] * 1.2 (racial damage mod) = 16,080

OAB + Steel Arrows

+50% ranged damage mod
10,000 * 1[.24 (FAW Bonus) + .5 (ranged damage mod)] = 17,400

Ofc this is just a rough guess. There's almost no way you could dish the same damage since they have different ATK.

Key point is, stacking +100% ranged damage is worse than +50% ranged damage paired with +50% other damage mod.

10,000 * 2 = 20,000
10,000 * 1.5 * 1.5 = 22,500

[kasshin]

Also, ranged mods apply to the whole damage. Racial and other mods only apply to the weapon + equipment ATK (and not the status ATK portion). If you want a rough estimate, you can probably just consider the whole ATK as half status and half weapon + equipment in this case.

[MonkeyMajik]

Ignore this one... was being dense. 

 

Edited by MonkeyMajik, 17 October 2014 - 11:46 AM.