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[Havenn]

DR HBP is best tanking garment with 90 vit, not just for GX

[Exuro]

 

Sometimes it's all about luck. Don't be too negative about life. Most people play fair, most people don't cheat, and for sure MOST iRO PEOPLE DON'T VISIT THE FORUMS.

 

Oh wow, this motivates me to hunt for OCAs.

 

But I'm lazy, so meh~ (and I hate Elders)
 

[kasshin]

DR HBP is best tanking garment with 90 vit, not just for GX

With DR, 54-55% vs 60% won't make a difference in almost any situation.

[Tofu]

Each percentage matters more, the higher you go.

[Kadelia]

With DR, 54-55% vs 60% won't make a difference in almost any situation.

I hope you realize the difference between 54% and 60% is 15% more damage from monsters. That can make a difference.

Also when you stack, say a 7% immune shield with a 5% 3d glasses, the change of 38% down to 32%. Not having that 5% neutral means almost 19% more damage. It gets worse when you stack more.

Edited by Jaye, 23 October 2014 - 09:20 AM.

[kasshin]

That is true, but in a "real life" situation there aren't many situations people will wear full neutral resist gear (3D glasses, immune shield, palace guard, etc. to get 80%+). Maybe only things like Ifrit and/or Valk. But when people are aiming to solo those they probably have enough money to buy several DRs and full custom gears for each MVP.

[Tofu]

You don't need "full neutral resist" to notice that difference.

[Kadelia]

That is true, but in a "real life" situation there aren't many situations people will wear full neutral resist gear (3D glasses, immune shield, palace guard, etc. to get 80%+). Maybe only things like Ifrit and/or Valk. But when people are aiming to solo those they probably have enough money to buy several DRs and full custom gears for each MVP.

I stack those neutral resists (and even shadow one!) On my bishops and I can tank better than rune knights. I takr 50 damage from enemies they take 350 from. It doesn't matter whose hp pool is 2x bigger when you take 1/7 the damage.

[ShoLin]

You can always reset your faw. I'm lazy and have like 8 +9 FAWs XD

[Tofu]

The difference can be even more ridiculous, if you're using a gen with painkiller.

Imagine a monster that hits for 3.5k

30% racial shield -> 2500
Deviling FAW (54%) -> 1150
Painkiller -> 150

vs

30% racial shield -> 2500
Deviling HBP -> 1000
Painkiller -> 1

That measly 6% reduction reduced the damage by 99.3%

[Exuro]

The difference can be even more ridiculous, if you're using a gen with painkiller.

Imagine a monster that hits for 3.5k

30% racial shield -> 2500
Deviling FAW (54%) -> 1150
Painkiller -> 150

vs

30% racial shield -> 2500
Deviling HBP -> 1000
Painkiller -> 1

That measly 6% reduction reduced the damage by 99.3%

 

Speaking of Painkiller, what does it exactly do (sorry I'm at work I can't view gaming sites lol)? I remember my Alchemist taking 1 dmg from anything when some guy's homunculus cast Painkiller on me.

[Havenn]

Flat damage reduction, I believe 800 at first? 1000 when max level? So, amazing for tanking small attacks like physical melee's - not so great versus skills that do way more than 1k damage.

 

I only have dieter's, will have a Sera next week when loyalty event comes up XD (lazy)

Edited by Havenn, 23 October 2014 - 09:50 AM.

[Exuro]

I see... at that time I thought its effect was to make ANY damage 1. That'd be pretty cool and OP (and ridiculous).

[ShoLin]

Flat damage reduction, I believe 800 at first? 1000 when max level? So, amazing for tanking small attacks like physical melee's - not so great versus skills that do way more than 1k damage.

 

I only have dieter's, will have a Sera next week when loyalty event comes up XD (lazy)

 

Better than nadda, dieter needs to have you take more than 10k damage to match painkiller.

 

If you do aimistr sera have fun >_>

[lunia1987]

So the conclusion is hbp > faw to put the DR in? Since I do have a Sera on my gene haha

[hoikarnage]

By the way this is a noob question since I have never bothered to re-enchant mine, but if I wanted to put a different enchant on my +9 DR FAW, there is no risk to the card or upgrades, right?

[Kadelia]

Similarly, soft def from vit and agi. If you had 150 damage reduction from soft def, and a monsters basic attack was 1500 damage, it'd be:

Assuming (damage * neutral reducts * race shield * like 30% armor def) - 150 soft def:
(1500 * 0.46 * 0.7 * 0.7) - 150 = 188 damage
Vs
(1500 * 0.4 * 0.7 * 0.7) - 150 = 144 damage

That's a 30% damage spike from not having that 6% neutral.

Edited by Jaye, 23 October 2014 - 11:43 AM.

[Necrohealiac]

By the way this is a noob question since I have never bothered to re-enchant mine, but if I wanted to put a different enchant on my +9 DR FAW, there is no risk to the card or upgrades, right?

 

reset with confidence (at 1mm a pop)

[lunia1987]

I guess I gotta save up for another DR card then =/

[lunia1987]

Another question. Is an angeling card enough to reduce the side effect of DR? Or should I spent the sent on the 3 types of elemental armour?

[DarkDan]

Just roll like I do and wear DR + Golden Thief Bug Shield 

 

I went with +9 FAW because I only use my DR to kill MvP's on my genetic. I went for a little more damage over reduction with EA10 enchant. I usually use my sura to tank so I didn't need the extra reduction. 

 

Definitely get the elemental armors. You will need a immune garment to switch to on certain MvP's regardless. You try Stormy or Ktull with DR, elemental armor is not going to be enough to save you. I use my DR FAW or switch out to a +9 immune HBP depending on the situation. 

Edited by DarkDan, 23 October 2014 - 12:42 PM.

[lunia1987]

How much of a difference is a +9hbp bonus compared to faw ea10. We are comparing the +30atk and 10% range atk to faw 20% range. Of course assuming I have 90 str and 90 Dez

[Tofu]

With acid bomb on the dark faceworms, the damage difference with my setup is roughly:

~180k with FAW EA10
~165k with HBP with 90 str/int/dex

[Havenn]

That better be without megs XD

[lunia1987]

I guess 15k isn't that big of a difference. Since im planning to solo most of the time i need to be able to tank so I'll probably put the DR in my +9hbp first and leave my faw uncaring for now haha. Thanks for the help people. If there are anymore suggestions or opinion please continue to post