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[makingup]

Even if mvp card mean to be really special and strong one. Completely nullify all magic attack included debuff is just stupid. The cost of it also not that big and everyone can just drink more sp pots

 

Your opinion?

 

I also heard that GTB is nerfed/removed in japan and kr but I don't know if it's true

[Tkwan]

If it doesn't have a counterpart to completely stop all physical damage, then it should never have existed. (edit - neither should ever exist in any game. Complete, permanent nullification of any form of physical/magical/ranged damage is crazy powerful no matter what game you play)

 

 

GTB is an extremely, overly powerful card that has imbalanced the game to the point where it has heavily influenced the development of this game.

 

 

Whoever created that card has a serious, serious hate for magic characters, and hopefully doesn't have a job in the video game business anymore.

 

 

 

 

Now despite it being so stupidly overpowered, I can't see it getting nerfed or even balanced. Too much of the game has been built with that card in mind and it would throw out the balance of just about everything.

Edited by Tkwan, 24 October 2014 - 01:30 AM.

[stygionyx]

I'm not really concerned about the effect. What I consider worse is the fact that the card is dropped by one of the weakest mvp in game. Solo-able by almost every classes without even reaching 150. Can be farmed easily. That was the real problem for me. Make GTB and its minions as strong as Bio 3 MVPs and spawn at longer time, then maybe the world would become a better place.

Edited by stygionyx, 24 October 2014 - 01:46 AM.

[AlmrOfAtlas]

The card itself is easily countered and prevents the wielder from being buffed, so there's that. When using it you're not wearing a racial redux card and so will take much higher damage, and for dual wielding classes it gimps their dps. If a GTB wielder is annoying you in PvP or WoE feel free to just strip/break their shield.

 

It makes certain monsters and areas in PvM a joke, but PvM is already a joke.

 

Availability is the only problem. At the very least take it out out of ET.

Edited by AlmrOfAtlas, 24 October 2014 - 02:46 AM.

[Ryokosha]

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It also doubles SP cost of everything. Just for completion's sake.

 

Not sure how the publisher can nerf it really. GTB resistance against status changes is hardcoded.

 

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I don't think GTB is directly unfair towards magic users. Might as well list a hundred other cards that are only a disavantage for physical classes.

I also don't really think that "most of RO's mechanics today" are build around GTB being available.

 

In fact as mentioned earlier in the thread, on some servers GTB was completely removed from inventories and drops.

 

 

 

Edit: I guess a way to nerf it would be to make it like Chameleon Armor.

Edited by Ryokosha, 24 October 2014 - 02:58 AM.

[AlmrOfAtlas]

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It also doubles SP cost of everything. Just for completion's sake.

 

Not sure how the publisher can nerf it really. GTB resistance against status changes is hardcoded.

 

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I don't think GTB is directly unfair towards magic users. Might as well list a hundred other cards that are only a disavantage for physical classes.

I also don't really think that "most of RO's mechanics today" are build around GTB being available.

 

In fact as mentioned earlier in the thread, on some servers GTB was completely removed from inventories and drops.

 

 

 

Edit: I guess a way to nerf it would be to make it like Chameleon Armor.

 

Kaddy suggested MDEF+50 a little while back. Outright halving any and all incoming magic damage and heavily resisting freeze/stone is very MVP-worthy, especially for the tier of MVP that GTB is.

 

That would also incentivise the use of Piercing Staff to counter it. It would make a presently worthless item valuable again! Sort of. I just remembered that Glorious -_- has a way better MDEF bypass.

Edited by AlmrOfAtlas, 24 October 2014 - 03:06 AM.

[DarkDan]

Its been in the game for a long while now. People have learned to deal with it by now. Its a higher tier MvP card. All the really good MvP cards are OP. Gloom, Thanatos, Tanee, Tao, Fallen Bishop, ect....

 

You want everything nerfed? Farm one for yourself and try it before you make claims about it. Do you have one?

[Xellie]

making gtb give mdef removes the reason people use gtb, it is used to avoid debuffs primarily, not damage. You can negate magic damage to zero  through high mdef or elemental resists.

 

If you're a magic user who is hurt by gtb, be thankful magic isn't blocked by sw, pnuema, KE or flee. RO isn't a single player game.

 

remember that gtb user can't be buffed, or healed, or kauped, or ke'd or assumptio'd or given sp and are missing 30% resistance etc etc etc etc

Edited by Xellie, 24 October 2014 - 03:13 AM.

[Ryokosha]

Kaddy suggested MDEF+50 a little while back. Outright halving any and all incoming magic damage and heavily resisting freeze/stone is very MVP-worthy, especially for the tier of MVP that GTB is.

 

That would also incentivise the use of Piercing Staff to counter it. It would make a presently worthless item valuable again! Sort of. I just remembered that Glorious has a way better MDEF bypass.

Well if we had access to the code and you wanted Piercing Staff to be worthwhile then:

1. Leave GTB exactly as it is now.

2. Give Staff of Piercing the ability to ignore GTB card.

[AlmrOfAtlas]

RO isn't a single player game.

 

I thought it was! Everyone keeps telling me it is! Go party with your alts they say! Go solo TI they say! Sharing in instances is a sign of weakness they say!

 

So confused @__@

[Beata]

1. GTB is one of the easiest MvPs : ✔

2. Has very little hp : ✔

3. Relatively short respawn time : ✔

4. Can be farmed in ET : ✔

5. You can kill it naked : ✔

6. Most important thing is GTB drops one of the best MvP cards in the game: ✔✔✔✔✔

 

Do you see what really need to be nerfed here?

[Facekiller]

people always want some thing nerfed....

[Darksorrow1234]

dont nerf the card, but should buff GTB's hp/stats instead, with Bio3/Bio4 slaves around it 

[meli]

You'd think with such a good card it would have at least a 5 hour spawn time, like tao.

[makingup]

I'm not really concerned about the effect. What I consider worse is the fact that the card is dropped by one of the weakest mvp in game. Solo-able by almost every classes without even reaching 150. Can be farmed easily. That was the real problem for me. Make GTB and its minions as strong as Bio 3 MVPs and spawn at longer time, then maybe the world would become a better place.

 

Even if it's the mvp that's the combination of valkyrie, satan morroc, and bio3 altogether I don't think the effect will make justified

 

Why can't it reduce fixed amount of magic damage instead and 50% chance to immune to debuff stats

 

Its been in the game for a long while now. People have learned to deal with it by now. Its a higher tier MvP card. All the really good MvP cards are OP. Gloom, Thanatos, Tanee, Tao, Fallen Bishop, ect....

 

You want everything nerfed? Farm one for yourself and try it before you make claims about it. Do you have one?

 

What if I told you I have access to one? Not own but share use of guild. Using this card alone make the game whole lot easier like seriously.

 

 

Just to clarify I'm not butt hurt magic user. I just a casual pvm ET farmer

[Havenn]

Yea, you have access to one....but you don't have one...because apparently they're not that easy to get.

[Beata]

So the only reason you want it nerfed because it makes the game-play easier? But its an MvP card, its obliged to make it so! Let's be realistic here, nerfing a card's attributes after all these years will just anger the users. People hunted / bought it for the thing it does in game. Imagine you buy or invest your precious time in a high end item to find the GMs nerf it later. Would you be happy?

Edited by Beata, 24 October 2014 - 04:40 AM.

[armourer84]

I'm Warlock PvM player. The warlock skills have very low damage and very slow cast. Because GTB is existed, why not improve the skill of WL instead?

[Havenn]

So the only reason you want it nerfed because it makes the game-play easier? But its an MvP card, its obliged to make it so! Let's be realistic here, nerfing a card's attributes after all these years will just anger the users. People hunted / bought it for the thing it does in game. Imagine you buy or invest your precious time in a high end item to find the GMs nerf it later. Would you be happy?

 

Ty, I work hard to get MVPs, and even with all my work, I do not have a GTB but am finally getting close to being able to. I would be really mad if they nerfed it after all this work.

[cory]

This discussion is so old.  What it really comes down to is NO CARD SHOULD COMPLETELY NULLIFY A CLASS.

[Havenn]

Why not? Nullify one class to amplify another

 

I guess I just don't get it. Some things are meant to be OP, yea it's easy to kill GTB, it's easy to 'farm' GTB (if you like being comped by 2-6 people) and it's 'easy' to 'farm' ET on all those characters once weekly. You could kill 1000+ GTBs (maybe I have by now) and still not get the card. Any card drop is not easy.

Edited by Havenn, 24 October 2014 - 05:22 AM.

[Kadelia]

I always revered GTB back in like 2006 when we were camping kathryne keyron. To completely shut down one of the the hardest normal monsters in the game and make it do negligible damage; it was really game-breaking, but I didn't complain because it was helping me level. Its a particularly strong tool for MVPing, for sure.

 

These days can't they just change it to like,

 

[Stats in PVP areas]

Immune to the effects of magic

 

[Stats outside of PVP areas]

MDEF + 75

 

etc?

Edited by Jaye, 24 October 2014 - 05:28 AM.

[Havenn]

Reverse that and I am cool with it

[AlmrOfAtlas]

it's 'easy' to 'farm' ET on all those characters once weekly.

 

You're doing it rightwrong.

 

[Stats in PVP areas]

Immune to the effects of magic

 

[Stats outside of PVP areas]

MDEF + 75

Reverse that and I am cool with it

 

^ what he said.

Edited by AlmrOfAtlas, 24 October 2014 - 05:38 AM.

[cory]

Why not? Nullify one class to amplify another

 

 

 

No, you don't get it.

 

What if a card comes out that nullifies all physical damage?  Do you think people will be OK with it since some OP items are ok?  No.

 

If you have GTB, you know it is gamebreaking in all aspects of this game and are trying to defend it because you actually possess it.  I have no grudges with people who possess it, since you are not the ones that implemented such an idiotic card.

 

But I do have a problem with people who can't admit that it is so stupidly overpowered, that it was one of the biggest mistakes to have it in game in the first place.