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[Facekiller]

Lets start off by clearing up some misinformation... Throw builds are NOT dead, Oboro are not supposed to be the magic users, you CAN build melee builds that work just fine (even oboro), Kagerou are not a class that is only useful in PVP and for copying Rapid Throw, you dont need super OP gears to MVP on a Kagerou or Oboro,  you dont need to be 150 to start MVPing, and TI is NOT the only way to level to 150. Swirling Petals does NOT require high Agi. Now lets pick these myths apart one at a time.

 

Myth: Throw Builds are dead

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Throw builds are NOT dead. in fact in many situations they are superior to Magic builds. For instance throw builds have a greater range than magic does. they are not limited to 3 elements unlike magic builds. their AoEs are MUCH stronger than magic AoEs are. The myth came about after the correction to Throw Kunai which was doing INSANE amounts of damage, damage it was never supposed to have. unfortunately it was left in for so long people got used to it and expected it to stay forever. after it was reverted to its proper damage people started claiming throw build was dead since they wanted EZ mode as opposed to learning to adapt.

 

Myth: Oboro Are the Magic Users.

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This is not right. Oboro arnt supposed to be the magic users. Kagerou can use magic just fine. This myth comes from the fact that most people focus on one oboro skill in particular. Distorted Crescent. Yes this skill has the ability to increase Matk (when conditions are right) but its the same with physical attacks too. if you want to make a thrower oboro go right ahead. Distorted Crescent will help throwers as much as it will help magic builds. It even works with melee builds.

 

Myth: Melee builds dont work.

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while melee builds are hard to level (especially at first) they are quite possible to play and can actually be quite effective. it works much like a Dual Dagger Assassin Cross would. The difference being that a melee Kagerou or Oboro will have skills like shadow slash, cross slash, kunai splash, cast ninja spell, Killing stroke, illusion shadow, and even Kunai Explosion to help with mobbing. its a ctrl+ click build with skills mixed in. and while its not an easy build and def takes timing and coordination its totally possible to use it to kill MVPs and Solo in places like scarabas and bifrost tower. it can be very tedious to level and is best rebuilt after level 120 from a throw build.

 

Myth: Kagerou/Oboro are a PVP class. or are only good for copying Rapid Throw on a SC.

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FALSE!!! First off Kagerou and Oboro can MVP pretty well. ive personally got 32 different solo MVP kills (a couple hundred MVP kills total). You can do instances like Old GH and Endless Tower. You can PVP and you can WoE. they is some things you cant do but youre really only limited by what youre willing to put effort into (you wont be soloing Ifrit or Faceworm but theres alot of other fun stuff to kill). As for Rapid Throw first i HATE that skill. its almost totally useless outside of PVP. also its a talentless skill. Killing somebody with a OP/Broken skill doenst mean youre a good player, it means you didnt bother to learn anything other than that one cheap skill. but i digress. the more effort you put into your ninja the better off youll end up being in the end. shortcuts are not your friend.

 

Myth: You Need OP gears to be successful on a Kagerou and Oboro.

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NOPE! you dont really need much to be a strong kagerou or oboro. just a few basic gears and a few basic skills will get you into the fray. for magic builds you can dual wield a Mikatsuki[1] they dont even have to be excessively upgraded. a Special Ninja Suit or Tenebris for armor, Enhanced Variants, and HBP or FAW, and a good headgear... obviouls the more money you sink in the better off youll be. but you dont need the very best upgrade the very best gears and the very best cards to be able to kill effectively. Decent gears will do just fine. Same goes for Throw builds. a couple strong main hand dagger and a 4x size/race carded MG for left hand is good enough for DD throwers. A Petal Huuma[2] is good enough for huuma throwers. you dont need MVP cards you dont need gods. id say my gear is probably inferior to alot of other peoples gears and im ok with it. my gear is made for multitasking so i dont go for one extreme or another. also youll find that survivability is much more important than max damage. you can kill anything if you can manage to stay alive long enough.

 

Myth: You Need To be 150 to start MVPing.

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truth is you dont. i killed my first mvp (maya) at level 120. in fact i used MVP kills to level myself from 120 to 136 in a week. you just need a few basic skills to fight a MVP. Pure Soul5, 16th night 3, charms for your build, a decent aoe and attack for your build, illusion shadow, CSS and shadow leap. Thats it! i suggest trying out Endless Tower. do it solo so you can practice. take tokens if you want. learn how the MVPs fight, learn their skills and how to work around them. practice makes perfect. each time you enter the tower try to kill the last MVP you couldnt get past. PUSH YOUR LIMITS. thats the only way to overcome them.

 

Myth: TI is the way to level a Kagerou/Oboro.

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IF you cna get a party then i suppose it is. But you can level just as fast and easily outside of TI. Kagerou and Oboro are generally one of the last classes a party chooses to take with them. so why wait around for a party when you could be out testing you skills in the wild. there are some slow points, i wont lie about that. You just need to push through them. the Bounty Boards will help alot. Kagerou and Oboro are the ultimate soloist class. self healing, self buffing, we even carry our own portable tanks with us. we can debuff enemies, we can kill. Dont be affraid of grinding in a dungeon for an hour. you may end up finding that youve actually gotten a level or 2 and the party you were waiting for for TI before is still waiting for that last ranger or AB.

 

Myth: Swirling Petals needs High Agi to be effective.

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this is one of those myths that i hear about all the time and players get really frustrated with. simply put the amount of damage agi adds to swirling petals is negligible. its main stat is str. youll need dex for cast time and hit. thats it. STR and DEX for swirling petals. PERIOD!

 

so now that i hopefully cleared some of that up lets get on to.... oh lets start with gears...

 

Armors:

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you can level to 99 with eden gears or work your way up with basic armors... i personally used glittering jackets til i changed to a kagerou.
as a kagerouor oboro your top choices are going to be:

Special Ninja Suit[0]/[1] (youll need to slot the Special Ninja suit in Payon)

Tenebris[1]- my personal armor of choice due to the illusion shadow autocast (due to a bug you need to know Illusion shadow 2 or higher for the autocast to proc)

Ninja Scale Armor[1] this is a good choice for melee builds and ok for throwing builds but a pretty bad choice for magic builds... the added HP is nice but youll take a huge hit to your SP

 

Glorious suit also... due to our low HP pool any gear with HP increases is helpful.

 

Weapons:

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For magic: Queen Faceworm Leg, Bazerald, Mikatsuki, RWC knife are best options... Raksasa is OK but youd be better off with a mikatsuki...

For DD throwers: Queen Faceworm, Grimtooth in main hand, and Quad Size/race carded MG in off hand... the exception is for killing stroke when a quad Kingbird MG is better.

For Huuma Throwers: Petal Huuma[2], Snowflake/thunder/blaze, Calm Mind in that order...

For Melee: youll go witha strong main hand dagger like Queens leg or grimtooth and either quad race/sixe MG or Icepick.... Rakasa can be used for autocaster melee builds...

 

Garments:

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For all builds: FAW (the better the upgrade and enchants the better), +7/+9 HPB... Skin of Ventus is also acceptable... for melee builds i like the HBP better since it covers more of the stats youll be using agi, dex, str and vit... not to mention greed! battle ground gears are also decent

 

Shoes:

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Enhanced Variants[1] are best... other ninja applicable footgear are acceptable...

 

Headgear:

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Magic: CoD is best, moon rabbit hat is ok...

throwing: +9 Evil Marching Hat[1] or Airship captains hat are best... moon rabbit is ok

Melee: lotta choices... things that boost aspd or snakehead (if you dont have kagerou's shadow warrior)... +7 Drooping Alicel is a nice one so is Drooping Eddga...shiba set is OK as is Moonrabbit...

 

Accessories:

Players Choice!

 

 

 

Edited by Facekiller, 20 November 2014 - 09:04 PM.

[Facekiller]

skills i can say really boil down to personal choice... use the skills you like... usefull skills include: Pure Soul 5, 16th night 3, illusion shadow, shadow hiding, cast ninja spell, all the charms, shadowleap and cicada skin shed.... this skills are good for PVM and MVPing.... Illusion Death5 is a PVP only skill that reduces enemy HP by 25%, Illusion Shock ONLY works in WoE and doesnt work in PVM or PVP... also note that Watery Evasion now actually increase damage from Freezing spear as long as both you and the target are in the Water... all the other skills are pretty self explanatory.... Pure soul5 it should be mentions not only heals your HP by 10% and SP by 5% per second it also cures: curse, blind, poison, and freezing/coldslow AND has a 50% chance to negate ALL types of incoming damage (including physical and magical attacks)... and one last trick thats never really been given out: When killing monsters who are aggro on Illusion Shadow Clones you will gain a slight bump in EXP per kill as long as its attacking the clone when it dies!

 

any other skill questions feel free to ask and ill try to answer them in this thread....

 

 

as for stats... you can get 99 in 4 stats easily at 15 and still have a little left over... i wouldnt suggest going over 100 in any one stat as it will weaken you in another area... perfection isnt overpowering one area, perfection is balance...

 

Magic Builds should got for high int, vit, dex (unless you have really good cast reduction gears) Luck/agi...

Throw builds should get high Str, Vit, Dex and luck/agi

Melee builds need high str, vit, agi, dex/luck

Hybrids  need high int, str, vit and dex....

 

and that, as they say is that...  if you have any other questions just ask and i will answer as i can... hope this helps!

 

oh yeah... if you dont know how to become a ninja in the first place heres my video guide... http://forums.warppo...st-run-through/

Edited by Facekiller, 22 November 2014 - 06:48 PM.

[AlmrOfAtlas]

Chuck Glorious Suit into Armours? The +20% MHP boost is amazing for Killing Strike, even in PvM. It's like an inexpensive mini Tao Gunka without the DEF cut!

[Facekiller]

Chuck Glorious Suit into Armours? The +20% MHP boost is amazing for Killing Strike, even in PvM. It's like an inexpensive mini Tao Gunka without the DEF cut!

 

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[spikexp]

PvP/WoE gear choice please xD Nice guide Okami!

[Facekiller]

PvP/WoE gear choice please xD Nice guide Okami!

if you cant figure out what to wear in PVP or WOE on your own then you probably shouldnt be competeing... hint tho: WoE Gears...

[spikexp]

Because the set didn't work out well the last time I KvM'd... x.x I don't WoE myself tho. And Shadow Leap is disabled in KvM (not in PvP) so I was wondering what would work with PvM build to KvM.

Kinda figured it out a bit but still unsure about the approach since I don't have the gears.

[Facekiller]

when i used to pvp i used status effect mail breakers to break armor and inflict status effects.... flame skull shield... and a few different sets of armor (unfozen, immortal) noxious carded garment (most of teh skills that can kill are ranged)...

[Facekiller]

added a link to the ninja job change video...

[4779130503200848593]

something i want to clarify. hoping you guys know.

 

in regards to the 16th Night skill. it reduces fixed cast time by 100% and variable cast time by 50%. This 50% VCT reduction is like a final multiplier right? Meaning it doesn't function like equipment enchants/cards that reduce VCT as a set number?

 

for example:

 

if i have a cast time of 2 secs FCT and 2 secs VCT,

have a +9FAW with 3 spell enchants (-30% VCT),

+0 CoD (-10% VCT)

weapon with 1 spell enchant (-10% VCT),

and i use 16th Night (not taking stats into consideration)

 

i will have a 0 sec FCT (0%) and a 0.5 sec VCT (25%)

not a 0 sec FCT (0%) and a 0 sec VCT (0%)

 

is this right?

also. would EA enchants be better than FS if you go a throw build?

 

[YangeWenli]

no you can not get 100% cast reduc from combo of gear/stats and 16th night you must have 100% cast reduc from gears or stats to get it

[Facekiller]

what YangeWenli said about 16th night is correct.... as for enchants EA is better than FS for throw builds... however race/size cards are better than archer skeleton cards for all throwing skills EXCEPT killing stroke...

[CharAznable]

For Kunai Splash Build: FS enchanted Grimtooth + 2x race/2x ele MG

 

For people who uses quad race or quad elemental. If you can make your own specialty MG putting 2x Race and 2x Elemental card, They gives you better damage output. Not going to put down equations and formula, but in short, They applies separately. 

[Facekiller]

i just discovered (after all this time) that 16th night DOES increase matk... its just not shown in the stat window... its probably by a %... im guessing around 5-10% or so... its not much but its noticeable..

[CharAznable]

i just discovered (after all this time) that 16th night DOES increase matk... its just not shown in the stat window... its probably by a %... im guessing around 5-10% or so... its not much but its noticeable..

 

as far as i know, its fixed MATK increase each level. i think around 50~100 matk at maxed level. I did test once and thats what i got. with 1 all stat and 125 oboro, i was doing around 300 on thiefbug, at maxed i was doing around 1k. Something to add on your quick guide. 

Edited by CharAznable, 01 December 2014 - 07:19 PM.

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