13 replies to this topic

[henrycao]

I don't understand why dodge is there for a spear. I honestly think a champion/soldier class has no use for dodge. It should be changed to hp for mob fighting and longer survive-ability. Instead of whats so called higher survive-ability. 

Spears are already weak, and a dodge passive doesn't scale well with the class.

[Filipito98]

*facepalm* spear champ is the only champ with dogde passive, spear champ is the weakest ap in champ class, without that passive it would be useless, u guys just focus in the freaking aoes for spam them ..... Soo yah there's no need to do changes to champ spear

[Holyfrost]

I don't actually learn the passive, mainly because it only adds up 50 - 100 dodge (it's not that much a small amount.)

But dodge rate for a spear champ is actually useful, Since it has low dodge rate, an increase by more than 50% could be quite adequate.

 

[MarK1789]

10sp just to add like 100-200 dodge to an already low dodge class isn't really ideal in my opinion.

[Filipito98]

i have 1350+ dogde with that passive n the dex i have ._., and im proud of it cuz i can dogde easly most of mobs .-. (was lvling up today in scavengers n i dogded mostly in them, 1 point is mutch if u guys thing.

[MarK1789]

ok we have our own build anyways, but really in my opinion spending 10sp for that passive isn't really worth it for me

[OshOsh]

IMO the dodge need to be increase,and its very useful,i dont need to pot mostly on my champ cause with dodge gear i have around. 4.1k total dodge.doing DG or even farming certain boss its such easy

[MarK1789]

IMO the dodge need to be increase,and its very useful,i dont need to pot mostly on my champ cause with dodge gear i have around. 4.1k total dodge.doing DG or even farming certain boss its such easy

 

if you dont mind, can u please show/pm me a screenshot of your character having 4.1k total dodge while having some considerate amount on your spear champ's other primary stats(damage and defense and debuff) while in PVM? cause we all know we can focus more on damage and defense and debuff stats of a spear champ than having to spend some stat/skill points on a very low dodge class. I'm not being rude but i really like to see some stuffs that proves me wrong so that i can learn my lesson lol.

Edited by MarK1789, 24 November 2014 - 07:05 AM.

[SpawN9999]

needs a charm to dodge passive

[OshOsh]

@Mark you want to know my build?

[turnermanxi]

I will say your dmg and def must be complete crap if you have 4.1k dodge since that is an absurd amount of dodge to have for spear champ.   However, if they don't plan on fixing dodge, the passive needs to be changed to something other than helping spears survive in PvM (even though that's very arguable in dungeons) since when you are 230 the thing mostly done is PvP and life steal/more crit/more ap should be considered as a passive for spear champs.  If you can sit here with a straight face and say 1350 dodge is enough or makes ANY difference in pvp then you are lying to yourself and the world.  If you really don't think spear champs need an amp in their survival or champs period, then I really don't think you've been actually playing the game...  

[mongetet]

Pvp wise, spear champs are strong. In pvp spear champs really dont rely on their dodge. I will say this DODGE IS CRAP IN SPEAR CHAMP IF YOU ARE PVPING. but that is not the strength of spears. It lies on the debuffs and normal hits if its pvp. But if it is a pvm setting u can go full dodge which the 4.1k dodge is feasible as it is pvm u can just tank mobs and then just aoe. But pvp never rely on the dodge of spear. U cant use dodge spear in pvp

Edited by mongetet, 25 November 2014 - 02:26 AM.

[MarK1789]

@Mark you want to know my build?

not exactly. i just want to see a screenshot of your champ having 4.1k dodge while having some considerate amount of damage/def. no need to show your stat/skill build.

Edited by MarK1789, 25 November 2014 - 02:40 AM.

[OshOsh]

Alright here the SS link

http://tinypic.com/m/ilx5l1/2