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#1 yaguhLOLOL

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:11 PM

Hiii.

I'm here to request a change in the headgear "Indian Feather Headband" name, or description itself.

For one, the description says it a "Splendid hair accessory made of feathers of birds. Worn by women of certain tribe."

Based off what I've been learning in hystory class, I've learned that Thanksgiving came about when Europeans (Puritans I believe) came into the land of America, and met Native Americans, whom passed on the tradition of Thanksgiving to the Europeans.

Christopher Columbus, the person in charge for why Native Americans are known as Indians, so called discovered America and thought he was in India.

 

So long story short, if I was a Native American, I'd find the title of the headgear intriguing, misleading, and offensive. Yes, India may have its tribe, but based off of Hystory, Thanksgiving came from Native Americans.

 

The headgear should be change to "Native American Feather Headband" or if not change it's description.

 

Thank you, much love.

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(BTW IM TRYING TO BE INCLUSIVE)


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:12 PM

Imo it should just be changed to indigenous or something along those lines, but not for the same reason. It's RO, there is no such thing as America or "Indians" there.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:14 PM

Imo it should just be changed to indigenous or something along those lines, but not for the same reason. It's RO, there is no such thing as America or "Indians" there.

 

Omfg I like that idea!

Indigenous.

 

Whether or not theres no such things as "Indians" on RO, the idealogy and story behind the titles of certain headgear comes from hystory. Example: All the headgears based off of America *THEFLAG-_-* etc.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:22 PM

Only white people think using the word "indian" is offensive.

 

I live among a large native american population and while they prefer to be called by their specific tribe, they don't get offended when people call them Indian.

 

In fact when referring to native Americans in general and not just their tribe, they often use the word Indian themselves.

 

Good troll though, 9/10

 

Also I think iRO should ban cigarettes, Pipes, peace pipes and alcohol so as not to encourage bad behavior.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:26 PM

only Native is okay for me, Native Feather Headband, indigenous is also good according to my own judgement


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:27 PM

Only white people think using the word "indian" is offensive.

 

I live among a large native american population and while they prefer to be called by their specific tribe, they don't get offended when people call them Indian.

 

In fact when referring to native Americans in general and not just their tribe, they often use the word Indian themselves.

 

Good troll though, 9/10

 

Also I think iRO should ban cigarettes, Pipes, peace pipes and alcohol so as not to encourage bad behavior.

 

Excuse me?

You seriously think i'd try to troll for something of this sort?

Where's your statistics or study to prove these Native Americans mind being called Indian?

Honestly, based off of personal experience they tell me, they find it insulting.

They'd like to be called based off of their tribe or them being Native. Period.

I dont like trolling things that insults one's community .


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:33 PM

You only have a problem with this? Not the Indian Fillet or the older Indian Headband?

 

I'd also like to mention that in jRO they are referred to as Indian. kRO too afaik. These headgears are not unique to us. In other cultures the only way to accurately identify them is with the label "Indian".


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:36 PM

Only white people think using the word "indian" is offensive.

 

I live among a large native american population and while they prefer to be called by their specific tribe, they don't get offended when people call them Indian.

 

In fact when referring to native Americans in general and not just their tribe, they often use the word Indian themselves.

 

Good troll though, 9/10

 

Also I think iRO should ban cigarettes, Pipes, peace pipes and alcohol so as not to encourage bad behavior.

 

On the flip side, lets be considerate to Indians.

 

Do you think they want others to be mistaken for them? How do you think they'd feel if people confused other races/ethinicities as them?

It's not only justice for the Native Americans, but it's a clarification for Indians as well.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:44 PM

You only have a problem with this? Not the Indian Fillet or the older Indian Headband?

 

I'd also like to mention that in jRO they are referred to as Indian. kRO too afaik. These headgears are not unique to us. In other cultures the only way to accurately identify them is with the label "Indian".

 

I'm sorry, I lacked knowledge of thing.
Indian Fillet and Indian Headband should be changed too.

I had no prior knowledge to the fact that such things on RO existed.

 

The only way to accurately identify something is to label them "Indian"? That's an odd statement. That's just like saying Europeans or Africans or Asians should confuse one another's ethnicities and label them something else because its the ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO IDENTIFY them as.

People should be educated about such information or search up information about such things.

 

What you are saying is that it's okay for people to call other people something they aren't if its easier for them to remember something.

So lets just say I call you, Mexican, when you may be Honduran/Domincan. I would be offending you and mistaking you for something you aren't. First time I call you that would be okay,but later on, it wouldn't be okay because now I know you aren't Mexican. If I am continously calling you Mexican, just because its easier for me to identify you as, then I would be NOT IGNORANT, but Arrogant.

Period.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:56 PM

I'm referring to the linguistic label. It's the correct definition.

 

In other cultures (remember this is not American RO, this is International RO), either "Indian" or "American Indian" is used to qualify certain things as having stemmed from that specific culture. Those are the only terms that can be used without running into problems with interpretation. Using the terms "native" or "indigenous" to absolutely anyone not having grown up in North America means nothing, as not everyone is North American and not everyone is aware of the country's history. They may not understand it and they shouldn't be expected to.

 

Random question for you, but where does the Didgeridoo come from? Which culture? Be honest to whether or not you know.

 

And if you really wanted to be PC about it, the name should be "Indigenous peoples of the Americas' Feather Headband".


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:01 PM

I'm referring to the linguistic label. It's the correct definition.

 

In other cultures (remember this is not American RO, this is International RO), either "Indian" or "American Indian" is used to qualify certain things as having stemmed from that specific culture. Those are the only terms that can be used without running into problems with interpretation. Using the terms "native" or "indigenous" to absolutely anyone not having grown up in North America means nothing, as not everyone is North American and not everyone is aware of the country's history. They may not understand it and they shouldn't be expected to.

 

Random question for you, but where does the Didgeridoo come from? Which culture? Be honest to whether or not you know.

 

And if you really wanted to be PC about it, the name should be "Indigenous peoples of the Americas' Feather Headband".

 

I made this thread because I wasn't sure what the headgear should be called. And I made this thread to learn of different perspective.

 

Anyways, yes this is International RO, so maybe there should be more details for the title of the headgear.

 

Can you send me the linguistic label definition?


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:05 PM

Can you send me the linguistic label definition?

 

Enjoy.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:07 PM

Okay so where was it decided that the words/label "Indian" would be the Universal Linguistic Label for certain races/ethnic groups? O.o?


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:13 PM

Okay so where was it decided that the words/label "Indian" would be the Universal Linguistic Label for certain races/ethnic groups? O.o?

 

The dissemination of American culture to the international community over many decades, using the term Indian in reference the indigenous peoples of that country. It is a standardised definition formed by pop culture.

 

Would it be possible to call it a "Braves' Indian Headband"? It's still instantly recognisable as having been sourced from that culture (the term "braves" is very specific to Native Americans when viewed from an international perspective), and it's a much better name.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:14 PM

I've learned that Thanksgiving came about when Europeans (Puritans I believe) came into the land of America, and met Native Americans, whom passed on the tradition of Thanksgiving to the Europeans.

 

My understanding is one of the settlement leaders declared it a day of thanks in the name of god, for finding the settlement land for the Berkeley hundred in december 4th of 1619, or some such, in keeping with Calvinist tradition.  It wasn't until 1621 that Native Americans were invited, at the Plymouth colony. The natives were invietd to join their after-harvest feasts since they had a working relationship where one of the natives had learned English and worked as an interpreter, and they taught the colonists how to fish for eel and grow corn. The tradition of thanksgiving did not come from native Americans. The Calvinist Thanksgiving and the colonist's fall harvest feast were merged. Much like the pagan celebrations of winter solstice with odin were merged with Christianity to make Christmas.

 

Wait, I apologize for being serious.

 

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:14 PM

this thread, i don't even.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:19 PM

My understanding is one of the settlement leaders declared it a day of thanks in the name of god, for finding the settlement land for the Berkeley hundred in december 4th of 1619, or some such, in keeping with Calvinist tradition.  It wasn't until 1621 that Native Americans were invited, at the Plymouth colony. The natives were invietd to join their after-harvest feasts since they had a working relationship where one of the natives had learned English and worked as an interpreter, and they taught the colonists how to fish for eel and grow corn. The tradition of thanksgiving did not come from native Americans. The Calvinist Thanksgiving and the colonist's fall harvest feast were merged. Much like the pagan celebrations of winter solstice with odin were merged with Christianity to make Christmas.

 

Wait, I apologize for being serious.

 

LOOOOL KADDY.

Damn it girl.

Thank you if you are being serious. I like that you are educating me on the values of thanksgiving, and I believe it contributes to what the headgear should be titled.

<3 thankies love.
 


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:21 PM

Many of you commenting may not like the idea:

but please instead of attempting to troll, be serious about this topic.

:> lawdie.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:22 PM

:p_idea:  :p_hi:


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 08:32 PM

Many of you commenting may not like the idea:

but please instead of attempting to troll, be serious about this topic.

:> lawdie.

 

Ok, lets be serious then. Break out the history books boys and girls.

 

Ok, here's the big secret: unless you came directly from Africa you aren't native to any land.  Your so called "native Americans" are not native themselves, they migrated from east / north east Asia and the Russian steppes over a land bridge that used to connect Russia and Alaska across the Bering Straits. They then migrated south and eventually east when they hit the more temperate zones, breaking into the respective tribes and settling into general areas along the way. 

 

 

TL:DR version? STFU about PC garbage. Indians don't care, if you want proof maybe you should make friends with a few... we have 5 tribes around me, and my nieces' grandmother is a fullblood that invites us to tribal meetings... so I think I should know  :p_err:


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 08:35 PM

Ok, lets be serious then. Break out the history books boys and girls.

 

Ok, here's the big secret: unless you came directly from Africa you aren't native to any land.  Your so called "native Americans" are not native themselves, they migrated from east / north east Asia and the Russian steppes over a land bridge that used to connect Russia and Alaska across the Bering Straits. They then migrated south and eventually east when they hit the more temperate zones, breaking into the respective tribes and settling into general areas along the way. 

 

 

TL:DR version? STFU about PC garbage. Indians don't care, if you want proof maybe you should make friends with a few... we have 5 tribes around me, and my nieces' grandmother is a fullblood that invites us to tribal meetings... so I think I should know  :p_err:

 

Actually all "Native" means is that you were born in that location. So technically I am Native American, even though my descendants are mostly Welch.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 08:36 PM

try using the "they call themselves that so i can too" argument with other races and let me know how it works out for ya....


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 08:36 PM

I think its readily accepted as offensive because it conforms to the same type of language as other slang terms for ethnicities. They're created by invaders to nickname a people they don't understand. There are terms like that for people hailing from a variety of countries, and most find the terms offensive, since they're ignorant and were thrust upon a people by an invader.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 08:38 PM

How about we just call everyone Afro-Eurasians and be done with it.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 08:40 PM

let's all be Wanderers


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