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[kasshin]

I just tested and you do need it to be out to "consume" the 10-30 sec cooldown. The duration won't run if it's vaporized.

 

That being said, if the Homu doesn't auto follow you (and probably die along the way), the VIT buff can be useful since it'll just keep applying it. Just a situational thing really. Not really groundbreaking or anything I'd say but is nice if you want "perfect".

 

I think the only Homu you can actually use to tank FOR you is Eira, where you Overboost to get really high flee on the Eira. Homus don't get flee penalty so with this they will be able to dodge mobs of monsters and even MVPs sometimes.

[3637131210094835917]

What about Amistr + Dieter?
In what situation it's better than Sera?

[MoyuZ777]

What about Amistr + Dieter?
In what situation it's better than Sera?

 

Interesting question, I would also like to know.

 

As a sidenote, My Amistr is level 75 and shy. Hitting in the low 300's. My Vanil didn't hit that hard even though it was 93 but was a tad faster.

 

I am expecting my Amistr to hit in the 500 range when evolved.

 

Interested in knowing PROS and CONS of Dieter vs Sera as well.

 

Thanks

[Tofu]

Dieter is better if you have someone else tanking. Granitic Armor is better at reducing hits that deal more than 10k damage, but worse for hits that deal less, and significantly worse against MVP magic skills (like Jupital Thunder, Fire Bolt, etc), because Painkiller reduces the damage by 1k per hit in most cases. Against a Jupital Thunder that hits like 22 times for 2k per hit, for example, PK will reduce the damage by 22k, cutting the damage in half. It makes magic that hits for less than 1k per hit miss completely. PK can make you immune to things like MVP's Waterball.

However, Dieter will increase your atk quite a bit, while Sera doesn't do anything for your damage. If you've got someone else tanking, Painkiller isn't gonna help you much, so you'd be better off with increased damage (and reduced Hell's Judgement/Earthquake damage).

[DrAzzy]

As a sidenote, My Amistr is level 75 and shy. Hitting in the low 300's. My Vanil didn't hit that hard even though it was 93 but was a tad faster.

 

By the time they're 150, their normal attack damage (without buffs ofc) of all homun types will all be the same because almost any homun will hit the stat cap. Your vani had unusually weak str growth, or your ami had unusually good str growth, though. 

Edited by DrAzzy, 10 December 2014 - 12:23 PM.

[MoyuZ777]

Lost my Amistr. Forgot him outside while vending.

 

Back to square 1. I might just try a different Homun

[MoyuZ777]

The only benefit to having a Lif would be the SP growth right?

 

Cart Boost will overshadow Urgent Escape?

[Necrohealiac]

yeah urgent escape is pretty useless as a gene.

[DrAzzy]

The only benefit to having a Lif would be the SP growth right?

 

Cart Boost will overshadow Urgent Escape?

 

And the SP isn't even *that* much better. 

 

Cart boost obsoletes UE. 

 

Mental Charge doesn't increase normal attacks either (though it does boost magic damage, I think)

 

 

For most endgame content, I think the amistr is most useful, simply because it's the only one with a usefull buff for the owner.

[MoyuZ777]

DrAzzy - I agree with you however, the buff is kind of tricky to have always on. I wish it could be activated at anytime and that the duration would be 5 minutes or so. The buff seems to wear off too fast and the cooldown is kind of long.

 

Having said that, Is Filir better than Vanil or viceversa?

 

Vanilmirth has mediocre damage post renewal. Pre-Renewal it was OP.

 

Filir seems to output the most damage at the moment, therefore, the fastest to level as a Homun S to get Pain Killer. Would you agree with this assessment DrAzzy?

[Tofu]

Filir's vit growth is probably still pretty low, even after all the renewal changes. Filir does have better damage than a vani, because of flitting, and moonlight is neutral/non magic. But a vani's normal attack is still pretty good, and they still get amazing aspd (as a little jello). But the two main reasons I always choose vani over filir (ignoring potting chance, for a moment) is the Higher VIT, and amazing SP.




The higher vit means you can afk level in ant eggs or OD2 or whatever much easier. It still gets decent flee, like the filir, but it'll be taking next to no damage, and recover much more hp per tick than a filir, letting it survive much longer without constant attention. If you're gonna be actively leveling it though, filir probably would be a better choice.

[DrAzzy]

Vani levels faster early homun S, followed closely by filer. 

 

Filer's moonlight does great damage - more than half what most homun S single target attack skills do. But it's not ranged - in OD2, this hurts exp/hr compared to the Vani; The vani's ability to tag monsters helps more than the filer's ability to easily 1-shot them. Oh, and a filer->sera may not get 100 total vit for stat immunity.  

 

However, you will never use any of either of their skills in end-game content. That's really why I recommend the amistr - it's the only one that can do *something* for you end-game - and it even gets two somethings, bulwark (useful, but annoyingly short duration - though have you tried the SuperPassive AI option in AzzyAI? That'll make the AI ignore monsters and just keep buffs up). Amistr's level agonizingly slowly though.

Edited by DrAzzy, 17 December 2014 - 12:31 PM.

[MoyuZ777]

I'm going to opt for Vanil since my Amistr ran away then. Thank you Tofu and Dr. Azzy

[MoyuZ777]

So I went ahead and got myself a Vanil. I thought it was weak and slow compared to pre renewal so I killed it and made a Filir, gotta be one of my favorites out of the four base homun, but while it was a fast killer, he himself died quickly and no real buff for the owner.

Then I read a post from you DrAzzy where you mentioned you can keep up bulwark all the time!!!!
I thought that this was not possible. So i quickly killed my Filir which i was really enjoying and got an Sheep again. I wonder if lvl 3 bulwark provide 30vit, I doubt it but at least it will be a buff regardless.

Edited by MoyuZ777, 21 December 2014 - 02:20 PM.

[DrAzzy]

All the homun skill cooldowns only run while logged in.

[MoyuZ777]

If I set Bulwark at lvl 3 on the AzzyAI it will always cast it at 3 right? So it should always be on.

[DrAzzy]

Yup

[MoyuZ777]

Awesome. Thank you!

[MoyuZ777]

Amistr Bulwark is awesome, but Amistr runs out of SP so fast that can't keep it up at all times, Even though it could if it had good SP recovery.

 

I hope this all changes after evolving and get Homun S

[DrAzzy]

Amistr Bulwark is awesome, but Amistr runs out of SP so fast that can't keep it up at all times, Even though it could if it had good SP recovery.

I hope this all changes after evolving and get Homun S

That's because of it's crap int and sp growth. Well get better as homun s because they ask have better int and sp growth.

[MoyuZ777]

Too bad it takes forever to loyal a homun. In my case, it will be twice! because of BloodLust. It is almost unbearable because I got a family and can't be on the computer at all times or checking all the time to feed my homun..............

[Cepo]

Just feed him between 11 and 75, so you just have to check on him once per hour. and by hour he will gain 4.75 points of intimacy in four hours that is: 19 points, per week cheking on him once per hour by only four hours will be: 133 points.

 

Yeah it  takes time, but you are able to set a system and keep a track on him.

 

[MoyuZ777]

That is exactly how I am doing it right now

 

Thank you

[MoyuZ777]

After a full day of semi afk and setting my alarm to every hour I brought my homun to level 81 from 30 and loyalty to shy. Many more hours to come but getting there.

My amistr also has enough sp and good enough then to keep bulwark on full time now at level 3. I noticed is not as good as 5 but at least it keeps it on full time.

[MoyuZ777]

So loyal it and made it Sera. ASDP is wayyyyyyyy too slow..... it is taking forever for just 1 level. About a day and a half for 1 level.