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#1 Apollonia93

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 08:59 AM

Helium, please fix this asap. Quite difficult to farm with 1 crappy heal, while mystic has 3 op heals, and tempest has an op heal. Grinding mobs with capped resist heals barely anything. This skill has always been defiler and dominator skills. What did you gus do to it.
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Posted 17 December 2014 - 09:02 AM

They don't give a -_- to classes skills except elementalist druid and berserker xD


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 09:04 AM

Helium, please fix this asap. Quite difficult to farm with 1 crappy heal, while mystic has 3 op heals, and tempest has an op heal. Grinding mobs with capped resist heals barely anything. This skill has always been defiler and dominator skills. What did you gus do to it.

 

 

 

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 12:11 PM

id agree.. Players who are not +30 are having a hard time pve-ing stronger mobs with just one crappy VT..Dominator has little amount of aoe attacks and pets are weak for this standard..removing AoE VT is madness! Defilers are quite squishy..if Terms of Service fails..they are dead..


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 02:04 PM

Going to bump this topic until this gets fixed. Why did you people even touch defiler. Fix this and stop breaking other crap.
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Posted 17 December 2014 - 02:19 PM

 

 

Vampiric touch worked fine in td this morning, then after i used it it stopped working, , it is greyed out for my 90 defi and says "cannot cast skill now" but only for my 90 defi, my 80 defi it works fine on him, my main is unplayable now, and the support site times out after hitting submit ticket

 

 

 

and:

 

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http://forums.warppo...n-it/?p=1950771


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 09:06 PM

Hi

 

Dont think its a bug,they just saw how mighty u get from this skill. so in fact a defi with enough targets and reduced cooldown never dies... except u fight monsters way over ur lvl and u miss with skill but thats not bug thats game mechanic.

I think the VT is too op with that many targets,its like the new Zerk skill all talk about.VT/ Blood Rage rise heal amount with damage,so it will work badass in pb..and cmon VT can have such a small cooldown its better than Templer heal.even in non crit case u steal maybe 800 hp from 5 targets or so...thats 4 k non crit heal with lower cooldown than other class have.and in case of crit and reduced cooldown nothing stops a defi. all know that.

 

so the time u just enter td and attack boss and life steal from all mobs till they die in ur aoe, is over now.no more standing tank all with some of most squishy class ingame cause of multitarget massively cooldown reduced op heal skill. Tanking isnt only life steal.

 

Defiler isnt 1 man army,its high damage aoe class and need tank for best effect. Its the game mechanic i wanna see and i guess common practice in this business


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 09:47 PM

if you have never played a defiler, then you have no ideas how hard it is to do anything UNLESS you have proper malled out gear. the majority of front line / 1 man army defilers have malled out +30 gear. the latter have to hide so they dont die from just about every melee / long range class.

 

a defiler naturally has less defense than other mages.

its gear and skills favours evasion normally - a somewhat incomplete stat.

it has no heals outside of VT. this means you cant heal unless you have aggro of something. VT misses. on mobs above your level, it misses even more. (ie, lvl 90+ mobs when the level cap is 90 means you are not guaranteed a heal every minute)

an "instant" VT needs 10 DNA (its not actually instant as animation still takes 2-3 secs or so). It takes 27 secs to reuse unless you spend more DNA.

VT damage/heal amount can be reduced by curse resistance, is reliant on skill crit investment and SCAD.

the only defense bonus skill the whole soul hunter/defi tree is pathetic. +77 physical defense at level 10.

 

"but you have Trap of Stiffness and all those stuns! you dont even get hit!" you may say. This is a PvE oriented comment.

Trap of stiffness does not work on all mobs. noticeably, crescent spriggans, sellos and several new ones.

Trap of Stiffness is not absolute. It stuns for a few secs, ends, then reapplies stun. This means there are periodic gaps for monsters or players to potentially slip out of TRAP or sneak in some attacks.

The other stuns like shadow binding/ shape of fear, lith, take alot of time to cast consecutively. They hit 1 target each assuming a success (yes again, all of these skills can miss except lith) and will not cover the cooldown for TRAP.

 

The problem isnt that a defiler = 1 man army, lets not give it an AoE heal. Its that any class can become a 1 man army if you jam as much +30 mall gear into it. The defiler is just more offense based than other classes which makes malling it especially potent. Non-malled defilers are extremely fragile, if not, then they dont do as much damage as you think since they oriented themselves into survivalist builds.


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:00 PM

hello^^ 

 

exactly,its squishy class... the +30 guys ( the one who doesnt care about game mechanic which are relevant for other class "like u cant pull full td in once cause u die") are not the main goal for updates,for sure,but they are too mighty so we need nerf for this skill...

 

Be happy u get many free dna u can invest in damage aoe or some other useful stuff. Do that and join party with tank and tempy und u will see the defi is a great class as it is.even without multi target VT...   U deal badass damage and trap is cool in combination with sleep...

 

Im tired of VT based Defi farmers...the 1 man farmer is Mystic... The high damage aoe class is Defi Bam there u go and thats how it should be.

U played the game before aoe VT? Defi was perfect in its roll always shoutin for party. That create fun cause everybody benefit from that,why every class should be able to farm solo?Go build mystic for that  xD   Defi is party char and most forgot that cause of THIS -_-ty DNA skill  !!!

 

Srry^^ This VT discussion last weeks made me a bit angry,they should target other stuff...and the skill (AOE DNA VT) isnt bugged,domi can use it...its removed,live with it,srry again

 

Forgot: VT Heal deal also damage,Tempy and shamy nor BM heal doesnt,so enjoy this still awesome skill with op reduced cooldown


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:13 PM

hello^^ 

 

exactly,its squishy class... the +30 guys ( the one who doesnt care about game mechanic which are relevant for other class "like u cant pull full td in once cause u die") are not the main goal for updates,for sure,but they are too mighty so we need nerf for this skill...

 

Be happy u get many free dna u can invest in damage aoe or some other useful stuff. Do that and join party with tank and tempy und u will see the defi is a great class as it is.even without multi target VT...   U deal badass damage and trap is cool in combination with sleep...

 

Im tired of VT based Defi farmers...the 1 man farmer is Mystic(lolwhat? mystic is supposed to be a support toon not a one man farmer.)... The high damage aoe class is Defi Bam there u go and thats how it should be.

U played the game before aoe VT? Defi was perfect in its roll always shoutin for party. That create fun cause everybody benefit from that,why every class should be able to farm solo?Go build mystic for that  xD   Defi is party char and most forgot that cause of THIS -_-ty DNA skill  !!!

 

Srry^^ This VT discussion last weeks made me a bit angry,they should target other stuff...and the skill (AOE DNA VT) isnt bugged,domi can use it...its removed,live with it,srry again

 

Forgot: VT Heal deal also damage,Tempy and shamy nor BM heal doesnt(learn classes before you talk. absorb? which heals better than VT btw.,so enjoy this still awesome skill with op reduced cooldown(right, except mystic has 3 heals, bm has 3 heals, and tempest has 5k+ easy heal, and defiler gets what again?)

seriously

dont talk about classes you know nothing about.


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:20 PM

why every class should be able to farm solo?

because you need 100kk+ lant to create decent gear? I would like to see them improving each class instead of nerfing. 

 

Pros of Nerfing

-none

 

Cons

-people quit playing

-people change class

-class dies out 


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:22 PM

i know the class at all updates since start s2... there was no aoe vt.U miss the ability to farm alone like a shaman,he miss ur damage and crowd control,just invest dna in damage and u see u deal more than him he needs dna for support hp buff and so on u can go damage only when u have proper party.

 

And the mobs move some in ur trap? imagine shamy doesnt have drowd control and sleep can miss too and is gone for cd then...not only a moment like ur skill

 

and maybe u dont know:

 

for defense,just enchant to armor like other class need to do... Again tanking isnt only putting con into armor and multi steal hp via VT.u can use shield u dont HAVE to use knucks and use def double up enchant... then u have enough def^^ or use Def orna.Whats the point of this? u want def buff too and aoe VT?

 

And its best tip i get in this game:  dont cry about ur class or what others can do,just build "op" class and farm stuff u need for the toon u like.

I read most Defi Vt posts here and KNOW the class so if u want to discuss it lets go^^

Just focus ur skill build on other stuff and go with a buddy or pt with more ppl and defi is best partner for that.

and dont get angry on me i raged a lot while reading this forum past weeks^^

 


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:23 PM

seriously

dont talk about classes you know nothing about.

 

agreed.

 

and i'm sure i'm the only player still interacting with this game that focuses solely on 1 main - a defiler from 2009, and can still be considered a player that isnt a mall hoe.


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:44 PM

haha^^

  

yes dont have defi main,dont like those cast time based class. but my chars are all max level and i tried all builds at free UJC event.

 

I have absorb skill on my bm and ofc that deal nice damage and heal but it depends heavily on skill lvl so lvl 1 like VT is impossible and on crit ofc.so not that great beyond ur high lvl and /or geared. and u seriously wanna compare bm with defi? pve side its simply impossible cause  bm lack damage and has only 1 aoe so this absorb skill rock,u want that too? we may can add too, with def buff and AOE VT...

 

and school time is long gone,dont search my post and pick out 1 sentence that may can be interpretated differently, i think u and everybody got the message.

And relax,they dont listen to me more than to u and the others for giving the skill back. Its just my opinion and grav doesnt care about it.

I just couldnt hold it any longer and wanted to do my first post here since i rejoined 6 month ago


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:57 PM

welcome, i've played all classes too, I don't have defiler, but I know that VT AOE is the only way they will ever be able to farm TD or cresent mobs. The way I look at it is, if you made a AOE class because you knew you could farm lant with it and +30ed it, then it got nerfed and now you cant farm. I would be pissed xD


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:08 PM

me too, i would immediately use other farm toon,hopefully i have one.

 

But the class role is simple: the other class that are far away from farm status like nearly all non heal class except maybe avenger. mine is pretty decent at high lvl but before 70 it was hard sometimes.

I guess removing AOE VT will bring back more party play,i think shamy need lil nerf too,in damage^^ then he will join pt aswell. for solo farm its simple,build  high end toon then all self heal class still can do it. And Td is impossible for many class...see a ranger doing it before the merc arrive for single pull? or Physic Kruxena? old zerk and wl that arent maxed out? its not that a defi is weak tho


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:12 PM

i know the class at all updates since start s2... there was no aoe vt.

 

u just proved u know nothing about defilers...if aoe vamp touch dna wasnt there why would ppl be complaining?...stop now before u put ur foot all the way out ur ass.


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:20 PM

I guess removing AOE VT will bring back more party play,i think shamy need lil nerf too

hmm, I really hope they didnt remove the DNA to promote party lant farming. If I was a dev and wanted to promote parties and guilds, I would give lant bonuses to people in parties instead of dividing the lant up when you kill a mob. For example you get +10% more lant farming with a 1 other person and +20% farming with 2. Also they should just increase the amount of lant that ET mobs drop since are impossible to solo. Easy fixes that don't require nerfs ^


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:20 PM

aoe vt was always ingame? i remember the time they implement.srry to tell u


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:24 PM

aoe vt was always ingame? i remember the time they implement.srry to tell u

 

aoe vt has always been ingame since it is a soul hunter dna not second class specific...let me reiterate my first point

 

why would defilers whine about a dna if they didnt already have it?

 

use ur brain pls


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:31 PM

aoe vt has always been ingame since it is a soul hunter dna not second class specific...let me reiterate my first point

 

why would defilers whine about a dna if they didnt already have it?

 

use ur brain pls

 

nope. sorry but AoE dna was an added DNA. I think it was in compensation to changes made to Trap of Stiffness but this is like 4/5 years ago or something. Around this time was when druids got OP from being previously unused and elems got nerfed to extinction.

 

edit- we were discussing aoe VT in 2010.


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:41 PM

exactly but its not the point if im right or not point of topic is the "balance" if we can call it that... My opinion isnt that hard if they dont give aoe dna back cause of above told reasons but i can accept that ppl miss it and we need a balance patch there.

 

Give aoe back but remove cd reduction or cap target to 4 with 5 dna pts max and keep cd thingy. Its not important if im right or not,i just wanna chat some^^


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:42 PM

that doesnt change the fact that defilers complain, therefore it was there. 5 point would be much better + 5 targets....


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:58 PM

naa too much

 

thats 6x800 4800 heal non crit with lower cd than other casters and same damage in NON crit case...too op imo

5 dna max 1st add target 2nd range 3rd target 4th range 5th target  = 4 targets =3,2 k non crit its same like a crit from shamy heal thats not +30 whore and use 1 pt in self heal like most defi.

 

Or maybe leave dna and make heal non crit like bm ones EXCEPT absorb^^

 

many solutions but we DONT need old op skill back,

still my opinion and so i like the actual no aoe more than the old one 


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Posted 18 December 2014 - 12:06 AM

defiler have a really bad defence. the def should work abouth the evasion. bud everybody know that eva not work like it should. the only way to survive is vt. and you guys really say its op? vt need a -_- load of dna points that this skill is usefull. vt have a high chance to miss and it goes over the magic res. play a defiler and learn how it is. dont forget. Terms of Service miss too.


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