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#1 OverDosage

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:46 AM

Woe/colo/pvp wise is going full str good??

Vigor hones on all equips is this good??

Lastly we already have pene buff is it worth it pumping it up by osi/isis card??
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#2 Kirhito

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:19 AM

Im no pro but..

1. Full str is good if you have high seeds. But the usual stat build for PvP types are Str/vit or Full Vit.

2. Yes, for shorter cds with skills like Shadow armor.

3. Yes, more broken damage is always welcome.
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#3 OverDosage

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 07:45 PM

Some of the sins cAn do dmg of 61k for just a single ci what atk pow range should i have for that if im going full vit on my stAts and vigor on my honings
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Posted 18 December 2014 - 09:09 PM

Vigor / Pvp Damage Increase.

 

For defenses/durability you can always have vit or vigor for that overpowered shadow armor.


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Posted 18 December 2014 - 09:38 PM

Dont really need to get a lot of Attack power to do damage like that. Your Power rune on your weapon will help a lot and some PVP runes(Chung Lim Sa Runes).

 

But if you stacked a lot of penetration like using Osiris Rare cards, you can pretty much achieve that damage without using PVP runes.

 

To make use of PVP runes youd have to use Colo gears either T1 or T2.


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Posted 23 December 2014 - 08:55 AM

How many pieces of colo gears do i need??it doesnt matter t1 or t2??orisis is the only card to do that?isnt isis also an option since it has hit?or we are really aiming for the addtnl damge % on osi card?
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Posted 23 December 2014 - 09:18 AM

There are a couple of choices of Penetration cards, i just said Osiris as an example due to it being the best out of all. But the Osiris card is best used if you have it at Osiris Epic since almost everything it gives doubles. But pretty much kinda near impossible to do if you dont have any of those last years events gold cards to fuse with it. Isis is good but if you fuse it the penetration doesnt really boost that high. The cards i use with ny Osiris cards are those Shadow of Sand cards or not sure what those abyss shadow looking things on Dayr.. At Normal Plus and refinement you get more penetration, although you only ger crit and penetration with it unlike Osiris.

About colo gear its usually the glove and shoe part. For me it doesnt matter if you get T1 or T2 since the stat difference is minimal and the only thing you need the colo gears for are the CLS rune slot. Though you get a nice boost of vigor and some vit those since Aov shoe and glove armor parts doesnt have Vit on them.
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Posted 25 December 2014 - 08:55 AM

so just having 2 colo gear is enough??


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Posted 27 December 2014 - 02:28 PM

Would you sacrifice the Wind rune for colo gears? Isn't glove and hat better?


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Posted 27 December 2014 - 02:43 PM

Woe/colo/pvp wise is going full str good??

Vigor hones on all equips is this good??

Lastly we already have pene buff is it worth it pumping it up by osi/isis card??

 

 

1) Going full str isnt really necessary, u dont need the attack boost / parry of str, I'd say go vit for more HP or agi for more dodge. Both of them are your friends.

 

2) Vigor hones on all equips are pretty much good , you need to lower your cooldowns as much as possible, having a low cooldown on shadow armor is useful at pvp's.

 

3) Having isis/osiris cards are pretty much worthess to have unless you can make em rare+ or epic +, with x5 osiris epic+ cards, u can get like 100 penetration, 300 vigor, 2% pvp bonus which are super good when compared to other cards.

 

Notes : Having pvp gears can be considered as good , u dont really use your gloves/helm/shoes. Having 2 colo gear with jehonn seeds ( Defense, cuz Cross Impact out of hide damage is very high if you got a decent power seedrune) I'd say get colo helm/gloves. Removing helm will cost you some hp but u'll gain 10% pvp defense.  Shoes arent really important unless u want to use your wind seedrune.


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Posted 01 January 2015 - 06:21 AM

Should i go for a full himm sapphire acce for the extra vigor and the set effect??or i can ho 4 himm sapphire and 2 ruby?
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Posted 02 January 2015 - 01:04 AM

There are only 5 Accessories, not 6. Because you get a set boni one 2 and 4 parts, you should either go 4/1 or 3/2.

 


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Posted 02 January 2015 - 01:29 AM

i see.. well thank you for telling me that greven.. so which parts would be really beneficial for sin.. i compared the himm sapp and ruby ring, I did see that the sapp rings has hit/parry/dodge/vigor compare to the ruby rings.. on your opinion is it just better to go sapphire acce all the way??


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Posted 02 January 2015 - 01:52 AM

i thought sins use pvp acce 


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Posted 02 January 2015 - 02:09 AM

on freya afaik we dont 


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Posted 02 January 2015 - 08:48 AM

i see.. well thank you for telling me that greven.. so which parts would be really beneficial for sin.. i compared the himm sapp and ruby ring, I did see that the sapp rings has hit/parry/dodge/vigor compare to the ruby rings.. on your opinion is it just better to go sapphire acce all the way??

 

Well, I made the 4/1 or 3/2 statement, because you can't actually go that wrong.

 

For the earings and the necklace, ruby is the way to go because it raises your vigor and crit. chance (IMO a design mistake). That's also enough to get the 1.5% str & agi bonus (also a design mistake). So these two are mandatory.

 

For the rings, it's a bit more complex:

 

ruby ring (assassin):

+73 hit

+73 dodge

+ 92 haste/cs

+226 critical

+ 960 SP

 

sapphire ring (assassin):

+92 hit

+122 dodge

+ 80 parry

+92 vigor

+ 960 SP

 

So it's more or less 92 vigor vs. 226 critical.

And that's the point where I say: Your choice!

Personally, I still prefer vigor => sapphire.

 

But as chaseme has pointed out, check out Colo Accessories - the PvP bonuses are broken and preferrable. So if you're in a guild and like to do colo, even the medals can be obtained easily.

 


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Posted 10 January 2015 - 08:51 AM

when i changed to full vit my atk power dropped to 7.2k including pront buffs already will still this work?


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Posted 10 January 2015 - 09:00 AM

Pretty much >:D
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Posted 10 January 2015 - 10:24 AM

hi infi!hehehe so having around 7-8k atk pow when turning full vit is still good?


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Posted 10 January 2015 - 11:07 AM

Yeah, its alright \o/
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Posted 11 January 2015 - 06:51 AM

Do you guys have the damage calculation of Attack Power? the value that is used to compute the overall physical attack damage (which in turn is used for skills)

 

For example, Cross Impact deals 700% of Physical Attack. How much of your Attack Power is used for its calculation?

 

I'm aware that we use the weapon's min/max and the character's Attack Power. But I am very curious to know the exact formula.

 

Thanks!


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Posted 12 January 2015 - 02:20 AM

Do you guys have the damage calculation of Attack Power? the value that is used to compute the overall physical attack damage (which in turn is used for skills)

 

For example, Cross Impact deals 700% of Physical Attack. How much of your Attack Power is used for its calculation?

 

I'm aware that we use the weapon's min/max and the character's Attack Power. But I am very curious to know the exact formula.

 

The physical skill effect is calculated this way.

 

Physical_Skill_Effect = 0.095 * Attack_Power + Weapon_Avg

 

Later, this skill effect gets amplified according to the chosen skill, i.e. the 700% in case of a Cross Impact.

Be aware though that there are many other damage modifiers out there (PvP honing, etc.)


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Posted 12 January 2015 - 08:30 AM

The physical skill effect is calculated this way.

 

Physical_Skill_Effect = 0.095 * Attack_Power + Weapon_Avg

 

Later, this skill effect gets amplified according to the chosen skill, i.e. the 700% in case of a Cross Impact.

Be aware though that there are many other damage modifiers out there (PvP honing, etc.)

 

Great thanks! This is what I need to know :)


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