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[Acowlyte]

So we have 3330 stat points now at level 175. Why shouldn't we start to make 130+ total DEX builds for FS ABs?

 

It's now possible to aim for 3k Heal/10k HH, grab 100AGI/LUK/VIT and still have tons of DEX.

 

I really miss the good 'ol days of 99dex HPs. ):

Edited by Acowlyte, 30 December 2014 - 10:09 AM.

[kasshin]

120 dex is good if you are using the temporal dex shoes. Anymore than 120 and it's probably a waste.

Going for insta cast using stats is all right but you'll still be locked down due to fixed casts, global delays, reuse delays, many skills still need orleans/phen, and so on.

Also, there's the option of using % reduction gears instead where you can even have 1 dex and still have fast cast.

[Acowlyte]

Welp, I'm not considering instant cast really. 

 

The difference between 91 and 99 DEX pre-renewal was really not that impressive either, and I don't think in renewal that is different. But the character feels different, after playing with a 99DEX HP for a while I couldn't go back to less than 99 DEX, every ms counts when casting skills nonstop.

 

Now INT reduce cast time too (INT/2 = DEX), and that is amazing. Before we needed to sacrifice a lot INT to have 99dex (my build had 63 base INT, and I've saw HPs with base INT as low as 40).

 

Anyway, just doing some fast calculations here I'm able to have the following at 175/60 with just Blessing and Canto Candidus:

 

100AGI

110VIT

115INT

135DEX

100LUK

 

I have the costume of making all my builds without using any equipment so I can use whatever I want anytime. But if we add delay reductions equipament to that build we end with the fastest support ever. And I don't see why is that bad.

Edited by Acowlyte, 30 December 2014 - 12:17 PM.

[kasshin]

Most ABs already were able to get high DEX (80-90 or more) even before 175 so it's nothing new to renewal. In fact, renewal pretty much encourages everyone to have a balanced build with 80-100 of each stat rather than going over 100 because of how expensive the stat points get beyond that. Being the fastest support just needs 120 base dex to take advantage of the temporal dex boots, and gearing properly for each situation. Even with maxed out base stats you still won't have a "fast" cast unless your gears or buffs are done right; you need (DEX * 2) + INT to equal 530 or near 530 for that. Most ABs can't afford to have "good" delay reduction equips outside of magic strings either because that would involve two Kiel-D cards.

[Acowlyte]

I don't think we are in the same point here. I'm not talking about maxing out (130) DEX. I have not yet seen a single FS AB with 120 base DEX or even close to that, and that's what I'm trying to understand, why not? Try to make a 175 AB build. We have so many points that spending a little more on DEX (or INT if you like) will not really be a huge problem

 

There's a plenty of cheap equipment we can make use in that kind of build.

 

A Speedy Recovery Wand and two Expert Rings is already 25% reduction on delay. And Puente Robe (5% cast reduction) is very very cheap.

 

And well, having the opportunity to have a Kiel Card and a set of Diabolus Robe is even better. lol

Edited by Acowlyte, 31 December 2014 - 02:49 PM.

[PervySageMarty]

Yes I am working towards an AB of said caliber to what you say, but to have 120 dex means really that I no longer will need to have that Puente Robe, as AB's are one of the few classes able to attain instant variable cast simply by stats alone. My ME AB is already 120 dex and I must say, people going WTF when I use instant KE's on them without having the skill name being called out by my character is just a good LOL moment. Its not that people aren't thinking along the lines of how you are(I for one am thinking exactly the same as you! An AB like that is just simply OMGWTFBBQ) but not many people think an AB should be played as such, for that we should respect their wishes.

Either that or AB's arent truely their main concern.

[4853121207141913140]

 

 

i don't really know what to say about my build.
i wanted to have both high healing and fast cast, but not maxing vit is really noticable for me.

sp becomes less of a problem and hp increases by so much, with friggs, apple, hp increase, vit food, and hp gears its really amazing.
i think its nice to have but not really an ideal build.
even though i said all of that i still enjoy playing this char.

[kasshin]

Pretty much any AB over level ~160 who knows about game mechanics will opt for 120 DEX for temporal dex boots.

[Acowlyte]

We have a lot of high level ABs on the server already, it would be nice if them could share their builds and thoughts about it (but I don't think most of them read this forum).

 

 

 

i don't really know what to say about my build.
i wanted to have both high healing and fast cast, but not maxing vit is really noticable for me.

sp becomes less of a problem and hp increases by so much, with friggs, apple, hp increase, vit food, and hp gears its really amazing.
i think its nice to have but not really an ideal build.
even though i said all of that i still enjoy playing this char.

 

It sure looks like fun for PvMing stuff. With that INT and VIT you should be immortal /heh

 

Question: I don't know how often you play and what you do with this character, but if you could get a free reset, would you do your build differently? If yes, what would you change?

[4853121207141913140]

I would like to switch my Int and Vit, dex stays at 120

I am also considering getting Faceworm Skin[1] with Vit enchants, but can't choose between Temp Dex or Vit.

 

[PervySageMarty]

I cannot live without 20 base STR, that carrying capacity is just needed....

[Acowlyte]

I would like to switch my Int and Vit, dex stays at 120

I am also considering getting Faceworm Skin[1] with Vit enchants, but can't choose between Temp Dex or Vit.

 

-0.5s FCT is amazing, but 8% max HP with 130 base VIT is a lot, I think VIT is a better choice if you do reset.

 

I cannot live without 20 base STR, that carrying capacity is just needed....

This. Just rebuilt my build to get 2x STR. lol

Edited by Acowlyte, 06 January 2015 - 04:57 PM.

[Skymaiden]

I like this idea and I've been building towards this pre-patch. Even with only 100 Dex at the moment, my level-151 AB's cast time is really awesome.

 

My gears at the moment: +12 KK Chibi, AA Blush [Also, a Dark Illusion Blush for the -10% cast time], FAW with spells, Temp Dex Boots with Muscle Fool & Spell5, KBC RWC pendants with spells, Recovery Light Wand with spells, Orleans's Gowns [for a faster cast time than a phen card]

 

Here's my planned build: 130 Int, 120 Dex, 77 Luck (for AA), 79 Vit. As you can see, high-healing is still important for me. Bear in mind that this build is for PvM/MVP support. I can't wait to see the instacast high/coluseo heals, sanctuary and safety wall on this one. 

 

As for carrying capacity, I recommend people who can afford it to just use heavy lifter tickets. If I had any stats to spare, I'd personally put my points in Agi to lessen the animation delay.

[4853121207141913140]

I cannot live without 20 base STR, that carrying capacity is just needed....

I never thought about this. This is worth 50 stat points right? so cheap for 300/600 weight >.<

 

 

-0.5s FCT is amazing, but 8% max HP with 130 base VIT is a lot, I think VIT is a better choice if you do reset.

I just realized I can use a cheaper card for dex boot since its not aiming for max health.

[4782131221082418730]

 

 

i don't really know what to say about my build.
i wanted to have both high healing and fast cast, but not maxing vit is really noticable for me.

sp becomes less of a problem and hp increases by so much, with friggs, apple, hp increase, vit food, and hp gears its really amazing.
i think its nice to have but not really an ideal build.
even though i said all of that i still enjoy playing this char.

 

Nice idea .Is that possible to get insta cast without gods ,Vip buff and food( i want to wear element armor)? And is it worth to give up other stats to get that -0.25 sec fixed casting time from dex boots because u cannot spam AOE heal (Cooldown: 2 seconds)

 

I like this idea and I've been building towards this pre-patch. Even with only 100 Dex at the moment, my level-151 AB's cast time is really awesome.

 

My gears at the moment: +12 KK Chibi, AA Blush [Also, a Dark Illusion Blush for the -10% cast time], FAW with spells, Temp Dex Boots with Muscle Fool & Spell5, KBC RWC pendants with spells, Recovery Light Wand with spells, Orleans's Gowns [for a faster cast time than a phen card]

 

Here's my planned build: 130 Int, 120 Dex, 77 Luck (for AA), 79 Vit. As you can see, high-healing is still important for me. Bear in mind that this build is for PvM/MVP support. I can't wait to see the instacast high/coluseo heals, sanctuary and safety wall on this one. 

 

As for carrying capacity, I recommend people who can afford it to just use heavy lifter tickets. If I had any stats to spare, I'd personally put my points in Agi to lessen the animation delay.

 

if u can insta cast ,u will not need KK and other casting time reduction gears.then u can wear other +% heal gears.

[tedba]

I am also building a dex based FS right now. How far the spells go on recovery light? I am using a thorn staff of darkness for now just for the speed itself.

But I always think that, casting > healing. there are consumables for healing but consumables for buffs/debuffs are rare.

 

[Acowlyte]

I am also building a dex based FS right now. How far the spells go on recovery light? I am using a thorn staff of darkness for now just for the speed itself.

But I always think that, casting > healing. there are consumables for healing but consumables for buffs/debuffs are rare.

 

Don't know how are you planning your build, but in my case I'll have < 100 base INT (probably 95), So I do not want to use a staff that increase my SP usage.

 

It depends on the situation too. I think that sometimes it's better to use +heal% equipment but most of the time I'm using cast/delay reduction and/or a Long Mace (which is really underrated pos-renewal).

[PervySageMarty]

^ Dat Long Mace..........

 

If I was nearing the end I would love to have 50 or more base STR, if you noticed lately there are more newer end AB gears that are worth swapping in and out at given intervals during parties that having 1500 weight can really help. Also...............BGems are just that damn fattening!

[Acowlyte]

^ Dat Long Mace..........

 

If I was nearing the end I would love to have 50 or more base STR, if you noticed lately there are more newer end AB gears that are worth swapping in and out at given intervals during parties that having 1500 weight can really help. Also...............BGems are just that damn fattening!

 

Blue gems, holy water, swap equipment, SP recovery, HP recovery... ;-;

 

Not completely on topic:

 

A tip on how to use less SP recovery items is to sit between delays, just put /sit on your Alt+1 Macro shortcut and use it after high delay skills (Lex etc). Also, use it on those short periods when you are doing nothing.

It's a little hard to start doing, but after some time became a automatic thing. It's also very hard to do it you have high latency. I play with 150ms+ and the pain is real.

 

Also, HHeal nv.1 is the only level of the skill in which you use less SP to HP recovery than Heal (70SP, 200% vs 80SP, 2xHeal). It's worth using when you are not leveling/doing things that require you to heal so much.

[PervySageMarty]

Im pretty sure I calculated it right before for myself, but AB's should really go 130 DEX in order to reach natural stat derived full variable cast time reduction, it may sound very stupid to some but AB's are a few of the classes able to reach such a feat without too much more gear investment and it is completely worth it in my opinion if the AB in question wants to be wearing healing gears.

[Demeris]

I don't think it's worth going 130 dex. If I remember correctly, the last point to 130 is worth about 56 stat points... that's quite a bit.

You can get alot of dex from temp boots, faceworm skins, shadow gears, enchanted shields/armors an headgears. It's better to invest those stat points into more survivability and resistances in my opinion.

Edited by Demeris, 12 February 2015 - 08:55 PM.

[PervySageMarty]

So..............anyone else done anything about this yet? Generate some talk please people its getting boring...........looking at all these Sura questions being asked but nothing happening on the AB side of the force.

[juxtapposed]

So..............anyone else done anything about this yet? Generate some talk please people its getting boring...........looking at all these Sura questions being asked but nothing happening on the AB side of the force.

 

Then you should look at the Archer Class forums and look at all the Ranger posts as opposed to the Performers posts.        (makes me sad though.)
 

[Kadelia]

I don't see the point of instant cast on an AB. If you need instant cast high heal to make it in time, you're cutting it way too close to begin with. Its better to focus on INT/VIT for survivability and heal power IMO. And 77 base LUK for archangeling card.

 

 

Primary INT, secondary VIT

Enough LUK for AA card (double SP regen)

Enough AGI for 150 aspd (heal motion delay in magic string, etc)

Rest DEX for cast speed

 

This AB is tough as nails and never dies or runs out of SP, even when tanking the mobs and solo supporting a party of 11.

Edited by Jaye, 20 March 2015 - 05:36 AM.

[OniichanN]

So..............anyone else done anything about this yet? Generate some talk please people its getting boring...........looking at all these Sura questions being asked but nothing happening on the AB side of the force.

 

Party with me in bio4 pls. D:

 

And idk, both options seem good to me, fast cast with 120 dex or move survivability if opting for more VIT/INT oriented build. Still not sold on the AA tho since I have tons of sp recovery items in storage. Think the last time I had sp issues was salamander/imp TI when I was solo healing. :s