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#1 vandoeduardo

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 01:11 AM

 
Hi Guys.
First of all, I'm a bRO player, if that's not allowed here, I'm sorry.
Our Thief Class forum it's kinda abbandoned, and I didn't find too much help.
I came back to Ragnarok after a 4 years (before renewal), and trying to return to my old goal: a MVP killer Thief (Sin->SinX->GX).
Now, my SinX it's 98/6x, leveling on Magmarings, and also Eden to get to job 70.
 
My stats now, are this:
Str: 86
Agi: 79
Vit: 12
Int: 1
Dex: 69
Luk: 1
 
[34 points left]
 
To 99, I just though to up Agi to 84, Vit to 14, Luk to 2.
My biggest doubt it's about the Skills tree.
Since I leveled as Dagger Sin/SinX, I didn't invest in SB, or Katar attack skills.
This is how it is now: 
 
 
Right-Hand Mastery 5
Left-Hand Mastery 5
Katar Mastery 10
Cloaking 3
Sonic Blow 6
Enchant Poison 6
Advanced Katar Research 5
Enchant Deadly Poison 5
Soul Breaker 1
Meteor Assault 10
Create Deadly Poison 1
 
I do not know where to "invest" all other skill points.
 
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Now, after I becoma a GX, here's the goal [bRO max level it's 150/50]:
 
Str: 108 + 22
Agi: 104 + 16
Vit: 88 + 8
Int: 1
Dex: 70 + 12
Luk: 60 + 1
 
Built this with the following equipments:
Ring of Flame Lord
Ring of Ressonance
+9 Variant Shoes [Firelock SOldier]
Fallen Archangel Wings [Enchanted with +4 For]
 
Main question it's, is it a good build?
Should I plan it without any equipment?
 
Also, I have no idea which path to follow with GX skills, can anyone please help here?
 
Once more, thanks a lot for all the help

Edited by vandoeduardo, 15 January 2015 - 01:11 AM.

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#2 Ward20th

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 04:54 AM

hmmm~

when I become GX level 99 my stat in

LUK is only +1 and  INT is 50 + items & cards (total 1200 SP bar). so every-time I play my GX its 90% skill use & 10% normal attack.

 

LUK stat is good bcoz of critical damage & ignore mobs flee-rate.

but i'm not planing to kill mobs 1 by 1 for critical damage beside lv.100 to lv. 110 (total of 140m exp total).

and im not son goku who only use jogging in that long-dragon to reach kai-osama house at the end of dragon tail. :heh: 

I rather use skill to kill it in aoe (DEX&SP) than normal attack(LUK).  

 

bcoz i havent try vanrgrad helm+9 (some players claim the proc rate is good at +9)

I used earth deleter card (+10 SP per kill in melee) & 2pcs moonlight dagger just in case for emergency refill.

 

 

i have no experience as lv150 GX but I already try most of the GX skill and used it  all in LOW turn in-vip.

hallucination walk skill is good too0oo.. even its 5mins cool-down (when my fly wing drop me in mobby spot in turn-in).

but im not using it anymore bcoz ...bcoz... low TI not worth that skill.  :heh: 

 

watch out in sonic blow skill always put it in level 10 due to prerequisite in GX skill. 

 

RED CIRCLE - my major skill in GX.

VIOLET CIRCLE- common support I used.

Green box- support. 

 

 

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:23 AM

Wards build is purely a farm/leveling build for Rolling Cutter. RC is ok for some MVPs but daggers crush it to pieces when done right. If you want to see my DD double-attack GX it's in my youtube channel in my signature. Though, that build is not as strong as a pure CRIT DD. Pure Crit DD requires you to NOT have double attack (thus going SinX at job42 and no higher). That build can dish up the best ctrl+click attack in the game.

 

If you're going Double Attack, getting more dex than luk is a good idea. Though if you're going DD crit, high luk is great, especially if you can manage 120 luk build with 193 aspd.


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:59 AM

i have question

to how to remove double attack skill

where should i put that extra point

so I can use Edp skill

if ever I reach my desire level to hunt mvp in gx?


Edited by Ward20th, 15 January 2015 - 07:01 AM.

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#5 vandoeduardo

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 07:01 AM

Wards build is purely a farm/leveling build for Rolling Cutter. RC is ok for some MVPs but daggers crush it to pieces when done right. If you want to see my DD double-attack GX it's in my youtube channel in my signature. Though, that build is not as strong as a pure CRIT DD. Pure Crit DD requires you to NOT have double attack (thus going SinX at job42 and no higher). That build can dish up the best ctrl+click attack in the game.

 

If you're going Double Attack, getting more dex than luk is a good idea. Though if you're going DD crit, high luk is great, especially if you can manage 120 luk build with 193 aspd.

 

I just though about doing it mainly focused on Daggers, and, for MVPs with Agi UP or higher Flee, use Katars for a high amount of crit.

One question here [sorry, I'm not too familiar with Ragnarok terms in English], by DD you mean "Double Dagger", right? And Ward build?

 

So, focusing in Daggers (don't know, even thought I know it's more expensive, I like them better then Katars, and it's not "more of the same", as we mostly see Crit SinXs in the game - at least bRO), you're telling me to raise my Dex (let's say 9x), right?

Also, which would be a good skill tree for the GX?

 

Last, but not least, should I plan the build with or without equips?

 

Thanks soooo much.

 

PS.: I've posted the same doubt in bRO forum, 3 days ago, and had no answer so far.

I'll come here more often... LoL


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 08:06 AM

i have question

to how to remove double attack skill

where should i put that extra point

so I can use Edp skill

if ever I reach my desire level to hunt mvp in gx?

 

Unfortunately, you can't remove your DA skill if you got over job42 as a High Thief, you're forced to get it if you have those extra job points. I am making a second GX for just that reason (but I am really lazy)

 

 

I just though about doing it mainly focused on Daggers, and, for MVPs with Agi UP or higher Flee, use Katars for a high amount of crit.

One question here [sorry, I'm not too familiar with Ragnarok terms in English], by DD you mean "Double Dagger", right? And Ward build?

 

So, focusing in Daggers (don't know, even thought I know it's more expensive, I like them better then Katars, and it's not "more of the same", as we mostly see Crit SinXs in the game - at least bRO), you're telling me to raise my Dex (let's say 9x), right?

Also, which would be a good skill tree for the GX?

 

For MVP with Daggers, if using Double Attack build, AGI up is your enemy. You either need to kill them before they Agi up, or only aim for ones that don't AGI up. The GXin my video can kill Mistress, Osiris and Drake without them getting to AGI up (kill times are 3,6,5 seconds for those MVPS). But ones like TG, if he agi up, I miss and makes my kill time much slower. Sometimes I can get him without agi up but it depends on proc of eddga hat.

 

I would say aim for like 90 dex and just a bit of luk. I am not sure what gears your server has so I can't advise on much =/

 

 

But yea, when it comes down to it, DoubleDagger is just beast. My GX is hybrid DD/Katar, with katar Dark faceworm takes 55-60 seconds, while with DD it takes about 30-35.


Edited by Havenn, 15 January 2015 - 08:07 AM.

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 08:12 AM

I'm not sure bRO has the gear to go DD crit with. If it does, it's something to consider though. I know some people are preparing their DD crit builds in advance on other servers now. I know of at least two on euRO and I've been pm'd by a few people from other servers about it as well.
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Posted 15 January 2015 - 08:21 AM

Unfortunately, you can't remove your DA skill if you got over job42 as a High Thief, you're forced to get it if you have those extra job points. I am making a second GX for just that reason (but I am really lazy)

 

 
 

 

For MVP with Daggers, if using Double Attack build, AGI up is your enemy. You either need to kill them before they Agi up, or only aim for ones that don't AGI up. The GXin my video can kill Mistress, Osiris and Drake without them getting to AGI up (kill times are 3,6,5 seconds for those MVPS). But ones like TG, if he agi up, I miss and makes my kill time much slower. Sometimes I can get him without agi up but it depends on proc of eddga hat.

 

I would say aim for like 90 dex and just a bit of luk. I am not sure what gears your server has so I can't advise on much =/

 

 

But yea, when it comes down to it, DoubleDagger is just beast. My GX is hybrid DD/Katar, with katar Dark faceworm takes 55-60 seconds, while with DD it takes about 30-35.

 

Nice to know...

So, I'll change my plans... As I said, I have a certain love for Daggers... LoL

 

I'm not sure bRO has the gear to go DD crit with. If it does, it's something to consider though. I know some people are preparing their DD crit builds in advance on other servers now. I know of at least two on euRO and I've been pm'd by a few people from other servers about it as well.

 

I don't think we have all equips also...

Then I'll focus mainly on Double Attack then...

 

As I'm new to the forum, I'll be able to post replies just tomorrow, but once more, thanks so much...

 

Any guidance in the skills tree, both for SinX and GX, besides Sonicblow Lv.10?

 

Regards.


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#9 vandoeduardo

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Posted 16 January 2015 - 04:35 AM

Considering the changes that Havenn proposed, and focusing ONLY in Dagger (maybe crits just based on equips), here's where I am:

 

Str: 108 + 8
Agi: 104 + 21
Vit: 89 + 7
Int: 1
Dex: 96 + 7
Luk: 1 + 0
 
Now, only equipments used were Rings of Flame Lord and Ressonance.
Does it looks better now?
 
Skills, where do I go?
 
Obs.: My SinX it's now 99/66... Still needind suggestion on where to go with those points as well...

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 03:34 AM

get total vit 100(base+job bonus), if u get stunned while fighting mvp u are pretty sure dead.

dont go too hard into dex just to get HIT, remember that each 3 luk gives u 1 HIT too, make a balance and put luk instead of dex when 3 luk consumes less points than 1 dex, it also gives u extra atq.

i would advice to not go too high on str also, these 108 str wont make much a difference, if spending more points into agi would make u get 193 or close to that, it is more worth.


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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:55 AM

get total vit 100(base+job bonus), if u get stunned while fighting mvp u are pretty sure dead.

dont go too hard into dex just to get HIT, remember that each 3 luk gives u 1 HIT too, make a balance and put luk instead of dex when 3 luk consumes less points than 1 dex, it also gives u extra atq.

i would advice to not go too high on str also, these 108 str wont make much a difference, if spending more points into agi would make u get 193 or close to that, it is more worth.

 

Here it's where my plans are?

 

Str 99 + 11
Agi 102 + 10
Vit 95 + 8
Int 1 + 5
Dex 95 + 8
Luk 39 + 1

 

Equips:

+9 [Any shoe] [Firelock soldier]

Ring of the Flame Lord

Ring of Ressonance

+7 wing of the Fallen Archangel

 

Any suggestion?

 

Thanks !


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