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Posted 20 January 2015 - 03:46 PM

im currently running a quite powerful level 103 autocast sc build but I find myself not being able to mob well enough, might be lack of vit or otherwise something else...I know that in the experience per hour department, AoE is the most optimal exp and killing fast, tips please my zeny doesnt have much of a limit and heres my stats/equips; im willing to change my build temporarily for some quick levels.

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That's Lucky Day/AD4 in Boots and Max Aspd enchanted FAW

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 08:00 PM

Well with the bapho hat costume I can just spam milks and mob to my heart's content and not worry about zeny/hour sunk into ranked slims. Heavy lifter box is a must.

 

It is a lack of vit that will kill you. Especially with monsters that stun. I was using variant boots for a good long while just because of the +20% HP. You'll be spamming pots either way, but with more HP/Vit you'll be able to stay there longer. I had 20 vit for the longest time, and it worked out well enough. I did use an unholy amount of slims though. I recently increased it to 50 because of scarabs that stun.

 

I actually can't remember where I went in the 100's. It was probably mid TI, nogg road. I do remember being in nogg 2 for a good long while, then GH Chiv killing raydrics/mid TI until 125.

 

125 onward it was new world and abyss lake. 130's scaraba hall. I'm 139 now and still in scaraba hall. High TI is too hard for me right now, but the last I tried I was 130, so I might give it another go.

 

Next week's high TI will be great for me, since its Scaraba and Pom Spider. Both take loads of damage from MS.

 

Question, I'm not that rich so I've never used a FQL. Does it autocast Earthquake? Or is it a better RWC Knife? How is the white drooping eddga? What cards do you put in it? How much was it? Are your accessories carded?


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Posted 20 January 2015 - 11:18 PM

I just feel training in those places has been really slow, magmarings are so boring I'm tired of them, this weeks mid TI with wanderer's and them using snatch was ridiculous, I'm able to do magma dun02 somewhat well and raydrics but then again like I said the exp seems quite slow unless this is just how it is XD I wanted to at least attempt a level a day in the 100's but I seem to not even get that with as many deaths as I get.

FQL autocasts earthquake yes, also hits more damage upon eddga activation, also hits more upon lucky day activation from boots, and also hits more damage with wind endow against my ocean armor with byorgue.

The way it seems to work is earthquake does increased damage with atk and matk but more with atk but for some reason the earthquake from FQL targets yourself as the enemy, so if I wear say +10% damage to demihuman then my FQL will do more damage because it's targetting myself, a demihuman, as well as the way elements work, wind endowed weapon onto my ocean armor, it's really a great weapon and I love it.

The eddga is also very much worth it, +25 atk per refine and it proc's so often, on top of it proccing with earthquake too, more often than not I'll even have eddga and the queen proccing without even transforming and I'm like an eddga doing earthquakes or just myself doing earthquakes, it's awesome.

To answer some of your other questions, +0 FQL is about 400m-500m, +9 is about .. 700m-900m, cards would be drake card and something else but I don't have any cards in it at the moment, no cards in the eddga as it has no slots and my accessories are carded with scaraba's in each for +40 matk, +9 eddga is 260m-300m, +11 is about 1bil but +9 is worth it mostly.


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Posted 21 January 2015 - 01:58 AM

My experiences with 100+ aren't normal as I zoomed through during double exp. It was a struggle. I think I levelled faster from 120-139 than I did from 99-119, even with regular exp.

 

FQL sounds really fun. I'm using the RWC set at the moment, with enchanted pendant for more matk and chambered scaraba ring as well. I'm actually looking for a different headgear. I'm using a +7 Drooping Alicel because I don't have natural 193 aspd. I can reach 188-189 with VIP buffs/serk/+1 aspd costume. I'm thinking of using Alchemist glove with scaraba cards for the fireballs. I'll probably switch to that if I get a FQL. Might even be worth it to reproduce fireball 10, but I'll have to test that.

 

I think I can reach 191 if I upgrade my agi boots to +9. I'm also using a HBP for the stat bonuses, especially the +50 matk/+1 aspd, A bit torn on whether or not to get the fallen angel wings.

 

So I think I'll go with Eddga hat for my final hat. I'm using an Exceeding Diabolous armor at the moment, but will probably invest in a set of elemental armors.

 

My mid headgear is probably wrong. It's sunglasses with Isilla card, which pretty much gives me constant +30 flee, which is almost instantly negated by mobs. I have a hodremlin valk shield as well. When it procs it takes the heat off nicely, but it doesn't proc often enough to justify the aspd hit.

 

I'm levelling comfortably in Scarabas level 2 right now with what I consider mid-tier gears. Doing 6k meteors when runaway magic procs and can survive maybe 10 scarabas. Getting 1.8 levels with bmx3, no gramps.

 

Oh if you're doing the el discaste bounty boards, don't turn them all in at once. There's a bug where it will give you base AND job even if you only ask for BASE. So get them one at a time until they fix it, which should be next maint, but who knows.

 

What is your plan for your skill points? So far I have Reproduce 10/Shadow Spell 10 and like 14 spare points. 

 

I think I'll have to take a break with my SC until I get more zeny. Can hardly afford the gears right now. I can probably get the +9 eddga hat, but nothing else right now. Will probably switch to GX for MvPing, which is useful since I can use most of the SC equips to start out.

 

How do you fund your SC?


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Posted 21 January 2015 - 03:10 AM

I'm actually concerned on which one of us giving the advice now XD because it seems to be me, if you're using the +1 aspd costume I quickly advise you to ditch that and get +9 FAW +1aspd and 16% aspd OR +9 temporal agi boots as both of these provide more aspd and other benefits, just read what FAW does and how superior it is over HBP, also +0 to +9 temporal agi boots will provide 1 more aspd.

Eddga is a great idea to use over the alicel by far, especially if you can get the aspd from other stuff, like I recommend the +9 FAW, +9 Temp agi, berserk pot, and 120 agi. Will add more later am at work.

Anyone else give me some advice please on faster leveling!


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Posted 21 January 2015 - 03:16 AM

I'd like to know toooO thanks for this thread

when my SC reach level.157 I still doubt its build on what really SC is.  :heh:

 


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Posted 21 January 2015 - 04:24 AM

Burned 150m getting my +9 eddga, It's definitely more fun.

 

Why do I need to ditch my costume? Is there any other garment costume that you can enchant something better on? If I can reach 193 aspd from normal gear alone, it is wasted but on the other hand i might not need to get a normal gear that boosts aspd.

 

I don't think I'll try to +9 my agi boots until the next refine event, as I burned quite a lot of money trying to +9 eddga hat from +0 using certs and HD ores.

 

I see what you mean about fallen angel wing though. It's probably for the best since I wanted to get a Salamander garment anyway. Is there any point to overupgrade it?

 

Sorry I'm not much help on the levelling, there actually isn't too much info on ASS Chasers. I still think nogg 2 is the best place.

 

 

 

EDIT: just looked at iro wiki fallen angel enchants. Higher refine = more enchants.


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Posted 21 January 2015 - 05:02 AM

everybody knows ctrl-click is not effective leveling method, the only decent thing to level fast is doing TI acting as puller and tank using reduction gears and perfect dodge to bring mobs.
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Posted 21 January 2015 - 05:22 AM

Burned 150m getting my +9 eddga, It's definitely more fun.

 

Why do I need to ditch my costume? Is there any other garment costume that you can enchant something better on? If I can reach 193 aspd from normal gear alone, it is wasted but on the other hand i might not need to get a normal gear that boosts aspd.

 

I don't think I'll try to +9 my agi boots until the next refine event, as I burned quite a lot of money trying to +9 eddga hat from +0 using certs and HD ores.

 

I see what you mean about fallen angel wing though. It's probably for the best since I wanted to get a Salamander garment anyway. Is there any point to overupgrade it?

 

Sorry I'm not much help on the levelling, there actually isn't too much info on ASS Chasers. I still think nogg 2 is the best place.

 

 

 

EDIT: just looked at iro wiki fallen angel enchants. Higher refine = more enchants.

I was only suggesting you ditch your aspd costume if you couldn't afford extra stuff, if you can keep it and still get +9 faw then do that, as that's what I have as well.

You can do what you want with your mid headgear, I personally pick the aspd mid because I need it for 193, isilla really isn't necessary though it seems like you just chose that because you had it on hand am I right? 

Also since you're using runaway magic and it makes your magic stuff quite strong, do you just use some SP healing food for preserve and shadow spell when they are going off cooldown? or do you switch to moonlight dagger and just unequip the boots temporarily?





@fuyukikun, everybody knows that? I'm not aware on why it's a slower method when I'm not actually killing 1 monster at a time XD, everybody knows that AoE kills is the fastest exp per hour right? so AoE autocasting is what I strive for and it still seems dreadfully slow.


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Posted 21 January 2015 - 02:49 PM

I was only suggesting you ditch your aspd costume if you couldn't afford extra stuff, if you can keep it and still get +9 faw then do that, as that's what I have as well.

You can do what you want with your mid headgear, I personally pick the aspd mid because I need it for 193, isilla really isn't necessary though it seems like you just chose that because you had it on hand am I right? 

Also since you're using runaway magic and it makes your magic stuff quite strong, do you just use some SP healing food for preserve and shadow spell when they are going off cooldown? or do you switch to moonlight dagger and just unequip the boots temporarily?





@fuyukikun, everybody knows that? I'm not aware on why it's a slower method when I'm not actually killing 1 monster at a time XD, everybody knows that AoE kills is the fastest exp per hour right? so AoE autocasting is what I strive for and it still seems dreadfully slow.

Yes, had the sunglasses on hand. I suppose I'll be trying all sorts of mid headgears.

 

Yeah I have the moonlight dagger and eden boots to regen. I only need about 350 sp to recast everything, which takes maybe 5-10 seconds sitting down, and even less using moonlight.

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Next gear will be Fallen angel wings then faceworm queen leg.


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Posted 22 January 2015 - 12:36 PM

What is the proc rate of EQ with that FCL & also I forget how this works; does each hit of double attack have a chance to proc it?


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Posted 29 January 2015 - 02:26 AM

hello, i'm planning to create autocast sc, but i have question, it is MAGIC attack or Physical attack?.. should i increase my magic attack or PATK?.

please help me. and sorry i'm new and not familiar with thief classes.


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Posted 29 January 2015 - 05:47 AM

What is the proc rate of EQ with that FCL & also I forget how this works; does each hit of double attack have a chance to proc it?

I'm not sure of the proc rate for earthquake using FQL but it's fairly decent and adds a step up in your dps.

I don't know if each hit of double attack has a chance of proccing or not, but I do know through my own tests that things do in fact proc in a double attack hit, and I can provide a replay file as proof.

 

hello, i'm planning to create autocast sc, but i have question, it is MAGIC attack or Physical attack?.. should i increase my magic attack or PATK?.

please help me. and sorry i'm new and not familiar with thief classes.

I am personally going more atk focused simply because earthquake seems to get most of its damage through atk and less from matk but I would recommend getting high matk for CD in mouth and what ever you'll shadow spell, say meteor storm? And duple light works through atk and matk. I'll eventually be going both atk and matk with high str/agi/int with moderate dex and low vit.


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Posted 29 January 2015 - 06:00 AM

 

I am personally going more atk focused simply because earthquake seems to get most of its damage through atk and less from matk but I would recommend getting high matk for CD in mouth and what ever you'll shadow spell, say meteor storm? And duple light works through atk and matk. I'll eventually be going both atk and matk with high str/agi/int with moderate dex and low vit.

 

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Posted 29 January 2015 - 08:25 PM

I'm not sure of the proc rate for earthquake using FQL but it's fairly decent and adds a step up in your dps.

I don't know if each hit of double attack has a chance of proccing or not, but I do know through my own tests that things do in fact proc in a double attack hit, and I can provide a replay file as proof.

 

I am personally going more atk focused simply because earthquake seems to get most of its damage through atk and less from matk but I would recommend getting high matk for CD in mouth and what ever you'll shadow spell, say meteor storm? And duple light works through atk and matk. I'll eventually be going both atk and matk with high str/agi/int with moderate dex and low vit.

 

I just got a FQL and it does proc decently. I wish the queen transformation did something but its just for looks.

 

I've gone for high matk first and with temporal int boots I'm getting 6k meteors, with 10k meteors on monsters weak to fire. I might reset again and go a little lower on the int (from 90 to 80) and bump STR/DEX/LUK for the atk to buff earthquake damage. At the moment I'm doing 3k earthquakes. Combine that with eddga hat and I think I'm getting 6k earthquakes, but that relies on Eddga hat and Earthquake proccing at around the same time.


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Posted 29 January 2015 - 08:52 PM

I just got a FQL and it does proc decently. I wish the queen transformation did something but its just for looks.

I've gone for high matk first and with temporal int boots I'm getting 6k meteors, with 10k meteors on monsters weak to fire. I might reset again and go a little lower on the int (from 90 to 80) and bump STR/DEX/LUK for the atk to buff earthquake damage. At the moment I'm doing 3k earthquakes. Combine that with eddga hat and I think I'm getting 6k earthquakes, but that relies on Eddga hat and Earthquake proccing at around the same time.


The queen transformation seems to be what procs earthquake though, despite it happening sometimes without it.

Also im not quite sure I believe you're hitting that much, earthquake does less the more targets and is affected by yourself, are you just skipping aspd entirely or what? is that meteor damage with temp int and runaway magic? I dont see why you wouldnt go with +9 temp agi with runaway magic and is it with salamander carded garment?
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Posted 29 January 2015 - 09:03 PM

how can i get faceworm queen leg weapon? .


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Posted 29 January 2015 - 09:08 PM

how can i get faceworm queen leg weapon? .

 

Run this instance:

 

http://www.playragna...ail.aspx?id=257


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Posted 29 January 2015 - 09:51 PM

The queen transformation seems to be what procs earthquake though, despite it happening sometimes without it.

Also im not quite sure I believe you're hitting that much, earthquake does less the more targets and is affected by yourself, are you just skipping aspd entirely or what? is that meteor damage with temp int and runaway magic? I dont see why you wouldnt go with +9 temp agi with runaway magic and is it with salamander carded garment?

 

Yes with temp agi and runaway magic. The 6k/10k is with runaway magic proccing, with the 10k on weak to fire monsters like scarabas or undead. The earthquake was tested on that ant egg in izlude academy. I didn't test it with eddga though, forgot to do it. It was 3 hits of 1k I think.

 

I can't be sure if EQ is proccing more during the transformation, though i don't know why it would. My FAW is fully spell power and my temp agi boots are only +6 so my aspd is only 191 right now. I'm going to try going for +9 again tonight, which should give me 192. I don't think I can reach 193 unless I go for AD on my FAW.

 

The FAW has is raydric carded though. I think survivability is more important at this point. I might get another +9/+12 FAW with AD and Spell power but still with raydric and not salamander.

 

I think the FQL will be my final weapon, so I will start increasing STR back to 40-50 to increase EQ damage. Aiming to get a set of slotted/enchanted elemental armors with byorgue.

 

I am struggling with accessories now that I'm not using the RWC set anymore. My matk took quite a hit without the RWC set bonuses, but i managed to get it back to a similar amount with double scaraba carded alchemist gloves. Not sure if there are better combos out there. Maybe even A ROR/A ROFL. The assumptio, heal and quagmire would be nice though. But the matk hit is pretty devastating.

 

I even tried going without CD in mouth for more meteors. Someone said CD procs interrupt MS autocasts, but I don't see much difference at all.


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Posted 30 January 2015 - 12:21 AM

Pretty sure Double Attack is considered a skill/spell. So you're fighting with 50% chance to normal hit to trigger 5% chance to cast EQ.


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Posted 30 January 2015 - 02:08 AM

hello, i'm planning to create autocast sc, but i have question, it is MAGIC attack or Physical attack?.. 
 

When my SC reach lv.157 I also ask myself. 

I rely? or stuck?... i dunno :heh:  on storm gust & party & physical stat + SM skill (but I still dunno WTHeck SC is??)


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Posted 30 January 2015 - 05:47 AM

Yes with temp agi and runaway magic. The 6k/10k is with runaway magic proccing, with the 10k on weak to fire monsters like scarabas or undead. The earthquake was tested on that ant egg in izlude academy. I didn't test it with eddga though, forgot to do it. It was 3 hits of 1k I think.

 

I can't be sure if EQ is proccing more during the transformation, though i don't know why it would. My FAW is fully spell power and my temp agi boots are only +6 so my aspd is only 191 right now. I'm going to try going for +9 again tonight, which should give me 192. I don't think I can reach 193 unless I go for AD on my FAW.

 

The FAW has is raydric carded though. I think survivability is more important at this point. I might get another +9/+12 FAW with AD and Spell power but still with raydric and not salamander.

 

I think the FQL will be my final weapon, so I will start increasing STR back to 40-50 to increase EQ damage. Aiming to get a set of slotted/enchanted elemental armors with byorgue.

 

I am struggling with accessories now that I'm not using the RWC set anymore. My matk took quite a hit without the RWC set bonuses, but i managed to get it back to a similar amount with double scaraba carded alchemist gloves. Not sure if there are better combos out there. Maybe even A ROR/A ROFL. The assumptio, heal and quagmire would be nice though. But the matk hit is pretty devastating.

 

I even tried going without CD in mouth for more meteors. Someone said CD procs interrupt MS autocasts, but I don't see much difference at all.

Are you straight up copying my build now? /heh ... also it does proc earthquake more often as the queen, it hardly ever proc's when you aren't transformed.

 


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Posted 30 January 2015 - 07:05 AM

Pretty sure Double Attack is considered a skill/spell. So you're fighting with 50% chance to normal hit to trigger 5% chance to cast EQ.

Nothing works that way, things proc with double attack and I said I had proof so I'll go ahead and provide it:

Here's a couple replay files, https://mega.co.nz/#!DVsSjJBS!ufDpDsVUTuw2B-qZH3Aup9XL2HiIuF7vHA5WQpCnh4A

This first one shows queen activating on a double attack, and the second one will show queen + earthquake, queen activates on a single hit and earthquake activates on a crit and a double attack.

https://mega.co.nz/#!XVtTQQ7Y!ghPwHCWjEgGy8PCyeQj6t1HvidR82ivCqM86XFiYyd0

Put the files in the Replay folder in the Ragnarok Online directory and then open a new client loader and click REPLAY button.


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Posted 30 January 2015 - 07:37 AM

I used to solo train my +193 ASS Chaser at Dimensional Gorge. It was fun for the first 10 minutes and then I got bored quick. I've switched to ArrowStorm build since then and have level up much quicker than before.


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Posted 30 January 2015 - 08:30 AM

I used to solo train my +193 ASS Chaser at Dimensional Gorge. It was fun for the first 10 minutes and then I got bored quick. I've switched to ArrowStorm build since then and have level up much quicker than before.

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