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[DarkGazer]

Not really too familiar with how the damage formula works in this game, so I need a bit of help.

Say you're facing a Boss Mob. What would be the best combination of cards that you can put in an off-hand Main Gauche that you're gonna use against it : x4 Abysmal Knights, or x2 Abysmal Knights with x2 racial/elemental cards? Or is it some other card combination I wouldn't even think of?

[Bronx]

Use Icepick.

[DarkGazer]

Ice Pick isn't an option.

[Astralslayer]

Element + Size + Race + Atk card i guess, AK card is good when your ATK is high enough, just my opinion

[Ward20th]

Ice pick <3

card on race?~ well i still dunno how that damage formula really works bcoz I still remember in the past in my GX lv99... 

 

story mode:

When I used +7 triple fisher scalpel[3] x2 pcs  (+120% damage to fish race +338 ATK 2pcs+7 scalpel) = total damage is only 789-900 to fish race (in double attack)

When I try my +7 hybrid beast claw katar[1]  (209 total ATK katar) = total damage is 1400 on fish race.(in double attack)

 

i was like this   x1000 at that time, even today. 

Edited by Ward20th, 22 January 2015 - 05:16 AM.

[Omnipheles]

Ice pick <3
card on race?~ well i still dunno how that damage formula really works bcoz in I still remember in the past in my GX lv99...

story mode:
When I used +7 triple fisher scalpel[3] x2 pcs (+120% damage to fish race +338 ATK 2pcs+7 scalpel) = total damage is only 789-900 to fish race (in double attack)
When I try my +7 hybrid beast claw katar[1] (209 total ATK katar) = total damage is 1400 on fish race.(in double attack)

i was like this x1000 at that time, even today.

That would be because when you use an offhand, its attack isn't added to the right hand's. It only displays it as such on the stat window.

[Necrohealiac]

Ice Pick isn't an option.

one AK card costs more than an ice pick at the moment, so if you were thinking of carding 4x AK cards...

[Exuro]

one AK card costs more than an ice pick at the moment, so if you were thinking of carding 4x AK cards...

 

Unless OP's reason for not using Ice Pick is to not go mainstream...

[Necrohealiac]

carding 4x AK into a MG just makes me shudder though.

[Astralslayer]

Read point 20th of this page

[Necrohealiac]

looks like size/race/element/ak card outpoints 4x ak card by 7%. feel free to check my math.

it's a hyperspecific weapon though, and probably useless outside of the specific mvp you made it for.

[DarkGazer]

Okay, I probably should've been more specific...

• This is for my Kagerou that mainly uses Kunai Explosion, so no melee attacks involved whatsoever.
• Main reason I said Ice Pick isn't an option is because the defense piercing effect doesn't apply to Kunai Explosion.

So yeah, not really GX related.

 

That would be because when you use an offhand, its attack isn't added to the right hand's. It only displays it as such on the stat window.

Since the ATK from the offhand weapon isn't added to the right-hand weapon, it's pretty pointless to refine it when you're not gonna bother doing melee attacks with the offhand... is that right?

 

Read point 20th of this page

Ah, I've seen this page before but not too sure if it's actually accurate for Renewal due to the notice box on top. If it is accurate though, does this mean AK cards count for the Special Bonuses part?

 

looks like size/race/element/ak card outpoints 4x ak card by 7%. feel free to check my math.

it's a hyperspecific weapon though, and probably useless outside of the specific mvp you made it for.

Ah, neat! It is really restrictive with usage, but I guess I can experiment with the combinations since I got something to work from if I ever need a dagger that's more flexible.

Edited by DarkGazer, 22 January 2015 - 05:46 AM.

[Exuro]

I'm curious. Is having this kind of off-hand weapon better than having an Ice Pick? Can't do game-related math right now... I'm at work.

[Necrohealiac]

well if ice pick effect isn't taken into consideration for his skills, then yeah.

[Lapphy]

Iirc you're gonna want a 3x archer skele + drake for offhand, grimtooth for the main hand, but that was before kunai nerf. Not sure what it is now.

[Necrohealiac]

lol thread has been banished to the nether: the expanded class forums.

[DarkGazer]

This is exactly the reason why I don't want to specify what class I'm doing this for. Tried to format the question into a more general format, but hey...

Thanks a lot to the mod who moved this to some section that people don't even bother looking at.

Edited by DarkGazer, 22 January 2015 - 12:12 PM.

[Exuro]

I actually thought you were talking about GX (didn't read the first part of one of your posts).

[DarkGazer]

I actually thought you were talking about GX (didn't read the first part of one of your posts).

Easy to see why you'd assume that. 



Was actually hoping to get some discussion going about the effect of cards in the damage formula in general, not just class-specific stuff (hence why I was being a bit vague). But hey, screw it at this rate.

I got some good answers though, so I guess I'll work my way from there. Thanks everyone.

Edited by DarkGazer, 22 January 2015 - 07:16 PM.