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[Inubashiri]

We can't just ignore them.

 

Embracing their existence, coming to terms with the fact that they are a (if not *the*) major competitor and learning from their successes and failures will only help iRO in the long run, especially to Classic, being a server empowered to make the kinds of sweeping changes necessary to draw people onto the official side of RO, which is at present heavily stigmatised in the general RO community for being a laggy, bot-infested junkheap of awkward implementations run by a money-grubbing detardeurus.

 

Thats like comparing apples to oranges, only these are stolen pirated oranges.

[AlmrOfAtlas]

Whatever improvements we want to make to the game has to go through kRO. Even if we wanted to implement pserver features, our hands are tied until we can convince kRO to go with it. The red tape is what separates us from pservers and why we can't do what we want to do to make the game better. That is the reality of it.

 

For Renewal maybe. All you guys can do is pray that Gravity hands off dev responsibilities to a more competent and sympathetic team. Right now they couldn't give less of a toss about any server that isn't their own, are choosing to ignore the sandbox model that makes RO so unique and memorable over theme park instanced bull-_- like every other cookie cutter MMO ever, and seem to prioritise shipping new content over fixing existing content, facilitating an insane level of power creep that I've honestly never seen in a game like this before. The "everyone else is doing it so I will too" approach doesn't work with retro games that thrive on nonconformity. Making new weapons and armours that cover for mechanical issues don't make the problems go away and end up pigeonholing builds more than if the issues were fixed outright.

 

What's funny is that pservers have gone through all this before. There's evidence all over the place as to what works in RO and what doesn't, what the community likes and what they don't, but no one on the official side really takes notice. Look to the continued success of certain privates and ask what they're doing right, and how they beat out their competition. Look to the failures of the past (and failures in progress, hello to the hotshot server), and ask what they're doing wrong. It's usually a case of the same mistakes being made over and over by self-assured devs that believe their opinion on what makes a good server is gospel truth.

 

A good start would be to advertise, btw. No matter what happens to this server in terms of patches and content, it's all pointless if no one knows about it.

[ZeroTigress]

For Renewal maybe. All you guys can do is pray that Gravity hands off dev responsibilities to a more competent and sympathetic team. Right now they couldn't give less of a toss about any server that isn't their own, are choosing to ignore the sandbox model that makes RO so unique and memorable over theme park instanced bull-_- like every other cookie cutter MMO ever, and seem to prioritise shipping new content over fixing existing content, facilitating an insane level of power creep that I've honestly never seen in a game like this before. The "everyone else is doing it so I will too" approach doesn't work with retro games that thrive on nonconformity. Making new weapons and armours that cover for mechanical issues don't make the problems go away and end up pigeonholing builds more than if the issues were fixed outright.
 
What's funny is that pservers have gone through all this before. There's evidence all over the place as to what works in RO and what doesn't, what the community likes and what they don't, but no one on the official side really takes notice. Look to the continued success of certain privates and ask what they're doing right, and how they beat out their competition. Look to the failures of the past (and failures in progress, hello to the hotshot server), and ask what they're doing wrong. It's usually a case of the same mistakes being made over and over by self-assured devs that believe their opinion on what makes a good server is gospel truth.
 
A good start would be to advertise, btw. No matter what happens to this server in terms of patches and content, it's all pointless if no one knows about it.

The iRO team doesn't play RO and it shows. The only people who knows what's good and what's not for RO as a whole are the players, but expecting the iRO team to know what are good suggestions and what aren't is putting the bar far higher than they can reach. Their problem is that they're either listening to everyone or listening to no one; favoring one group of players over another brings up favoritism and biased issues. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

It all comes down to the problem of people with the power to change things don't know what to change and people who know what to change are powerless to change things. That's an issue with official servers; definitely not a problem for pservers. Until that status quo changes, official servers are doomed to continue to decline as they have been doing. We can scream, yell, and rant all we want, but unless we put in the effort to create proper reports of what needs to change in RO and why instead of piffing all over the forums for every bad change made to the game, maybe we could get some momentum going.

But that's not going to happen. Not with how stubborn kRO is and definitely not with how apathetic the majority of the RO community is.