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#1 EnterNameHere

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 09:29 AM

Seeing as the price of a safe to +7 body armor cert is floating around 11m-15m a piece, what are the chances of having it work from +6 to +7? I've spent a total of 27 safe certs for +6 to +7 and my item is still at +6, thinking it would just be all around easier to buy the item fully upgraded for way less than even half the price I spent getting nowhere. Why are the prices for certs so high?
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Posted 16 February 2015 - 09:37 AM

Don't buy the certs to upgrade, man. That's a big money sink for lazy people. People just run Nidhoggur Instances with GX or Geneticists and exchange the garb with certs.


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Posted 17 February 2015 - 08:02 AM

Dr. Azzy has a calculator that can help you approximate whether an item is worth using a certification on.  It's all chance based, so it might use three certs, or it might use...well, 27+ in your case.  The calc just gives you an average cost, assuming you don't break the curve.

 

In general, certs are only worth it when the base item is very expensive (80-120m minimum) or outright irreplaceable and cannot afford to be lost.  The rest of the time, you're better off using regular materials or Enriched materials to make it to +7.


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Posted 17 February 2015 - 02:57 PM

Don't buy the certs to upgrade, man. That's a big money sink for lazy people. People just run Nidhoggur Instances with GX or Geneticists and exchange the garb with certs.

this

 

and when refining use 150+ to 200+pcs Elu & Ori. (along with 5-7pcs safe, but dont Put this in your inventory if your items in refining is still +0 to+4 it will be consume)

 

well if you still doubt this method 

try PRACTICE refining by buying 5pcs of NPC composite bow+4 and 200 pcs phracon 200 zeny each (no cerf safe)

to remove your doubt.   (when im bored I always do this and it kinda fun sometimes especially if 5-7 pcs of level 4 weapon ancient dagger+4 some reach +8 without safe cerf).

 

P.S.

-to carry a large amount of Ori or Elu you need to be naked 0wt, only the items you will refine. :heh:  

-in refine Practice:

ex.

when your ancient dagger success in +5 and 6 pcs ancient dagger left is still +4 

before you attempt to + 6 make sure all your extra ancient dagger is at +5...

same goes to +7  


Edited by Ward20th, 17 February 2015 - 03:18 PM.

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#5 1211141207050339913

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Posted 04 March 2015 - 12:52 AM

this

 

and when refining use 150+ to 200+pcs Elu & Ori. (along with 5-7pcs safe, but dont Put this in your inventory if your items in refining is still +0 to+4 it will be consume)

 

well if you still doubt this method 

try PRACTICE refining by buying 5pcs of NPC composite bow+4 and 200 pcs phracon 200 zeny each (no cerf safe)

to remove your doubt.   (when im bored I always do this and it kinda fun sometimes especially if 5-7 pcs of level 4 weapon ancient dagger+4 some reach +8 without safe cerf).

 

P.S.

-to carry a large amount of Ori or Elu you need to be naked 0wt, only the items you will refine. :heh:  

-in refine Practice:

ex.

when your ancient dagger success in +5 and 6 pcs ancient dagger left is still +4 

before you attempt to + 6 make sure all your extra ancient dagger is at +5...

same goes to +7  

 

sorry for the noob question. but why do we need up to 200 pcs phracon when - 5pc bow x 10pc phracon = 50pc phracon only needed?


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Posted 04 March 2015 - 03:34 AM

well in every online games exist in this world.  

there are things that something in common. 

 

1. to reach the highest upgrade of certain item you must have excess or maximum quantity of refining stone or upgrade core you can carry to have more chances of success.(what ever you called that stuff is).

2. In attempting to upgrade items or opening a random gift box,egg pet and Roulette wheel prize it should be less minute after the reset time.

3. In attempting to upgrade items or opening a random gift box,egg pet and Roulette wheel prize it should be done on your 1st log-in. 

4. you can follow-up the luck came from other players.

ex. SYSTEM CHAT ANNOUCEMENT: hue7564 lucky hatch the egg of lord blah blah as a pet. you can get the same chance if you follow-up it by opening egg.  

5.the easiest way to earn zeny etc..etc..(in-game money) is to sell stuff came from game-personal shop.

6. there's always a bot, scammer or illegal offers occurring.

7.there's a sudden log-out when you back in 4 sec your in-game money or item inventory is gone. 

8. The membership get the benefit twice or trice than free to play players. 

9. There's always a top Guild exist along with popular strong players.

10.Emergency maintenance.. 


Edited by Ward20th, 04 March 2015 - 03:41 AM.

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Posted 04 March 2015 - 04:24 AM

well in every online games exist in this world.  

there are things that something in common. 

 

1. to reach the highest upgrade of certain item you must have excess or maximum quantity of refining stone or upgrade core you can carry to have more chances of success.(what ever you called that stuff is).

2. In attempting to upgrade items or opening a random gift box,egg pet and Roulette wheel prize it should be less minute after the reset time.

3. In attempting to upgrade items or opening a random gift box,egg pet and Roulette wheel prize it should be done on your 1st log-in. 

4. you can follow-up the luck came from other players.

ex. SYSTEM CHAT ANNOUCEMENT: hue7564 lucky hatch the egg of lord blah blah as a pet. you can get the same chance if you follow-up it by opening egg.  

5.the easiest way to earn zeny etc..etc..(in-game money) is to sell stuff came from game-personal shop.

6. there's always a bot, scammer or illegal offers occurring.

7.there's a sudden log-out when you back in 4 sec your in-game money or item inventory is gone. 

8. The membership get the benefit twice or trice than free to play players. 

9. There's always a top Guild exist along with popular strong players.

10.Emergency maintenance.. 

Best guide ever. This should be pinned.


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