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[Arpeggio1975]

Hello,I am a player from Dragon Saga and I found it is very not satisfying that multi clienting is banned....THIS IS BULL'S POOP

 

Multiclienting is not wrong...its just let people control more characters....

Someone say if a main is strong and fight off a boss that drop good looooots...The game is based on PvE so its not really unfair type of game

In the side of marketing its not wrong for people to use 2 people to sell stuffs

In the side of controlling 2 accounts in PvP,If controlling 2 people its impossible to go without ONE dying because the player had to use one at a time and nobody can reacts that fast

 

-GIVE me 5 solid reason for multiclienting BANNING

 

IF not.....UNBAN MULTI CLIENTING

[Arpeggio1975]

Say MULTI if you vote that MULTI CLIENTING BANNING is WRONG

[Homurasan]

I can't see why five reasons would be needed, but... If I were to ban multi-clienting people, I'd say :

 

1) Letting people achieve something twice as fast as a regular player would is unfair to the latter ones ;

2) Some players having more resources than the others creates a gap between those who use 3rd-party programs in order to multi-client, and those who don't, which reminds me of some arguments about how it was unfair for people who pay their game to have it easier than others, without having done any more effort ;

3) This game isn't intended to be played with more than one client, which is why, without any trick or 3rd-party program, you can only use one at a time ;

4) Having any other method than paying to speed up your progression through the game means a loss of profit for the producer ;

5) Only AFK multi-clients at the PoW farm are targetted here. Talking about PvE or PvP is... off-topic I'd say.

 

Makes five I guess. ~

 

*warning* I haven't written down any pro argument here ; I have some, and I don't feel like banning multi-clienting players at the PoW farm is a good idea either.

Edited by Homurasan, 26 February 2015 - 04:29 AM.

[Popcorn]

After having a long night and talking to a staff member yesterday I should clarify some things:

 

• Gathering AFK in PoW farm is no reason for banning
• Standing aroung in PoW to have your market open is no reason for banning
• Using multiple clients on one PC by using a third party tools is and was always a banning reason, because every unapproved 3rd party tools are and were always disallowed
• This new policy is mainly used to prevent abusing by multiclienting, such as opening 12 clients to gather at the PoW farm, for example.
  The definition of "abusing" is not a linear thing. It has many facets, but I think you agree that using 12 clients at the same time is abusing.
• For the other maps besides PoW farm, the rules are also stated in the official announcements. If a player is tested by a GM and doesn't pass the test (for example the GM talks to this char and the char doesn't answer) this account is flagged as 3rd party tool user and this can result in a ban.

 

Yesterday I had some questions that I'll use as an example:

 

• Am I allowed to AFK in Cities, Dungeons, Mission Maps, Field Maps with or without multiple 
  clients while my logged in chars are standing completely still for the time I'm AFK (you fell
  asleep, have your market open, have to do something in the real-life, etc.)?
  Yes (as long as no 3rd party tool is involved in any way, see 3rd party tool policy)
• Am I allowed to AFK in Cities, Dungeons, Mission Maps, Field Maps with or without multiple 
  clients while my logged in chars are moving and attacking on their own?
  No! This is considered as botting.
• Am I allowed to AFK in PoW farm 24 hrs a day gathering?
  Yes
• Am I allowed to AFK in PoW farm gathering with one char and playing with another one?
  Yes
• Am I allowed to AFK in PoW farm gathering with two chars at the same time?
  Yes
• (The following is an imaginary question and a bit over the top)
  Am I allowed to use a third party tool to open 24 clients at the same time?
  No (because of the 3rd party tool policy)
• Am I allowed to use a third party tool to open 4 clients at the same time to run a dungeon/mission map/F7?
  No (because of the 3rd party tool policy)
• Am I allowed to open 4 clients at the same time without using a third party tool to run a dungeon/mission map/F7?
  Theoretically yes, as long as you can pass the tests of a GM, if the GM selects you for one. If you fail this test, your account will
  be flagged as 3rd party tool user and this can result in a ban.

 

As StormHaven already said in another thread, Multiclienting is still a grey zone and tolerated as long as there is no abusing visible, but always keep in mind, you will decide to use multiple clients at your own risk.

 

I hope this helps a bit.

 

 

This information is outdated. Please refer to https://forums.warpp...ienting-policy/ to view the updated mutliclienting policy.

Edited by Popcorn, 09 July 2022 - 11:07 AM.

[reqt]

Popcorn sorry but two questions.

1) under what condition would warrant a pm from the gm. I mean if we're recieving prizes from lets say the cube thingy from paris, it might take some time for us to reply the test.

2) would the question be a pm/ mega/ trade chat role call? I think that players should be allowed to experience this at least once or at least a SS demo on forum on how this is done to prevent any more misunderstanding

[Popcorn]

Popcorn sorry but two questions.

1) under what condition would warrant a pm from the gm. I mean if we're recieving prizes from lets say the cube thingy from paris, it might take some time for us to reply the test.

2) would the question be a pm/ mega/ trade chat role call? I think that players should be allowed to experience this at least once or at least a SS demo on forum on how this is done to prevent any more misunderstanding

 

1) the GM is aware what happens in the game. And he surely don't want an answer from you while there is a sequence in which you can't answer.

 

2) It's not clear how they will test. Often they talk to you in the chats and wait for an answer from you. But it's surely nothing on what you can't react on time.

 

I just wanted to tell you that GMs are also humans and not monsters.   They are not here to anger you with what they do, or because they have fun doing it. It's their job. The GMs are also here to help and not only to punish.

Edited by VModPopcorn, 26 February 2015 - 07:51 AM.

[Homurasan]

Still, I don't get it : do the GMs have some kind of tool letting them know about the IP of given players ? That must be difficult for them to test the right ones if they don't...

[NewCorn]

Still, I don't get it : do the GMs have some kind of tool letting them know about the IP of given players ? That must be difficult for them to test the right ones if they don't...

 

This would be too difficult. Furthermore, IP Logs do not differ between several PC's at one house or several clients on one PC.
Just read, what Popcorn wrote. GM's will PM you and if you don't reply, this is an indicator for multiclienting. Simple as that.

[Nhat]

I have a little question, there's often time when I let my brother just simply foam and afk in in elga or just afk in f7 since with his level and equip, he can't do anything against the mobs. How would GM be able to tell the difference between someone playing on multiple char or if they are afk and simply living in the same household? Also how is the GM going to test us? many of us like to play either with whisper off or in f10 mode either to avoid being annoyed or due to lag while farming so chance of being there and missing the test is very likely. 

Edited by Nhat, 26 February 2015 - 12:30 PM.

[Popcorn]

I would not over react. The GMs always tested players from time to time, but have you ever been tested?

Most of the time there is no reason to test you, unless you act suspicious in any way. Then it could be that a GM decides to test you.

But this not really abusing behavior which you described gives them for sure no reason to test you.

 

[reqt]

ok thank you very much!

[frostfoz]

why dun we pt "MC" into our DS PT i mean the tool to MC will be include in game folder after installing the game  so it will be ligal and every 1 can do that then, it cant be said that MC is unfair 

[StormHaven]

When a GM tests you there isn't a way for you to miss the messages unless you're just completely gone from your computer or tabbed out for a long period of time.

[Phrys]

how about I suddenly afk while doing mission..? because I sometimes fall asleep while doing galaxy or elga.

Edited by Phrys, 26 February 2015 - 05:50 PM.

[StormHaven]

how about I suddenly afk while doing mission..? because I sometimes fall asleep when doing galaxy or elga.

 

Well unless you keep on attacking while you're asleep or you're running  more than one mutliclient and they're all attacking while you're asleep you won't get in trouble. Not to mention the word the multi client thing only applies to Windy Farms atm.

[Phrys]

Naahh.. After facing the boss, if I got my self suddenly sleeping, I let my char keep standing there. I think it's ok when it's in elga because the dungeon can make char leave the mission automatically after killing elga. But it's different story when it comes to Galaxia or Element dungeon. After we finished killing the boss, the dungeon wont let us leave unless we click the "Leave" button on the screen.

 

By the way, I'm still curious about the test. I don't have any figures about it  

[Popcorn]

I have added 2 more points to the examples I posted in here to clarify the worries about AFKing. These are the two new points on the top of the examples. I hope that can take away your worries.

 

Also how the tests will work are stated in the official statement.

 

 

If you make the decision to use multiple clients to control the characters and a GM decides to test you in game,

an immediate reply is required from the character being tested. There is no excuse for the character to be

moving around and not respond to a GM's message or tests.

If you need to type a message in all chat, please do so.

 

The GM decides how this test will be done in the specific situation.

 

[Ring]

This would be too difficult. Furthermore, IP Logs do not differ between several PC's at one house or several clients on one PC.
Just read, what Popcorn wrote. GM's will PM you and if you don't reply, this is an indicator for multiclienting. Simple as that.

This would be too difficult. Furthermore, IP Logs do not differ between several PC's at one house or several clients on one PC.
Just read, what Popcorn wrote. GM's will PM you and if you don't reply, this is an indicator for multiclienting. Simple as that.

Now everyone is confusing me more... If I don't reply to GM's pm that I might be multiclienting? Popcorn mentioned we can afk and farm... So I should log off when I am at work? Why are we making this game so difficult and confusing! It's just a damn game and those people who are using multi client tools STOP it. What you are doing is downgrading yourself and DS because you don't know what and how to play a fair game. Stop cheating yourself and others! Anyway, can I or can't I afk while farming in pow?

Edited by Ring, 28 February 2015 - 04:46 PM.

[StormHaven]

Now everyone is confusing me more... If I don't reply to GM's pm that I might be multiclienting? Popcorn mentioned we can afk and farm... So I should log off when I am at work? Why are we making this game so difficult and confusing! It's just a damn game and those people who are using multi client tools STOP it. What you are doing is downgrading yourself and DS because you don't know what and how to play a fair game. Stop cheating yourself and others! Anyway, can I or can't I afk while farming in pow?

 

people are just over complicating it. If they're not multi clienting 50 billion accounts then the change doesn't effect them.

Edited by StormHaven, 28 February 2015 - 05:20 PM.

[Fliederduft78]

I think you can find the answer of your question already here.   

 

After having a long night and talking to a staff member yesterday I should clarify some things:

 

• Gathering AFK in PoW farm is no reason for banning

 

Yesterday I had some questions that I'll use as an example:

 

 

• Am I allowed to AFK in PoW farm 24 hrs a day gathering?

            Yes

• Am I allowed to AFK in PoW farm gathering with one char and playing with another one?

             Yes

• Am I allowed to AFK in PoW farm gathering with two chars at the same time?

             Yes

 

As StormHaven already said in another thread, Multiclienting is still a grey zone and tolerated as long as there is no abusing visible, but always keep in mind, you will decide to use multiple clients at your own risk.

 

 

 

Now everyone is confusing me more... If I don't reply to GM's pm that I might be multiclienting? Popcorn mentioned we can afk and farm... So I should log off when I am at work? Why are we making this game so difficult and confusing! It's just a damn game and those people who are using multi client tools STOP it. What you are doing is downgrading yourself and DS because you don't know what and how to play a fair game. Stop cheating yourself and others! Anyway, can I or can't I afk while farming in pow?

 

I agree.

To answer your question. yes you can.  That is what Poppie told us. Your question does match his examples quite well.

 

 

 

 

[Ring]

I think you can find the answer of your question already here. 

 

 

 

 

I agree.

To answer your question. yes you can.  That is what Poppie told us. Your question does match his examples quite well.

Thank you!