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[9632130515120055620]

The Eddga drops from bosses usually come in 3-5 star quality, for every blue moon that they do drop (increase droprates WP, seriously), and the NPCs always come as 2 star. More stars on gear generally give higher stats on each hone line, but do we know how badly these stars actually affect the honing? Is it like a 5% increase in stat line per star or something? Is there a formula?

 

I ask because I've seen some very impressive hones on 2 star Eddga weapons, but I don't know if it's comparatively impressive since I haven't seen 3+ star counterparts. My old osiris claw was 2 star with a line of 500 attack power which was very high. I want to know if it's basically negligible to just go for the eddga NPC drops with tokens.

[Shinyusuke]

I want suggest you to do something else first: collect stats of edgar gears and stats of cazar gears compare them and look if and how much stats on edgar are nerfed, now use runes and see how many runeslots you need to get back them stats (blue seed, redseeds, +80) done this look how many runeholes are left. Now rune all your cazar gears whit runes blue red green and +50 compare now the 2 full runed gears and decide. If the gap is too high no matter what honing you will have on edgar it won't outclass an honed cazar.

[9632130515120055620]

I want suggest you to do something else first: collect stats of edgar gears and stats of cazar gears compare them and look if and how much stats on edgar are nerfed, now use runes and see how many runeslots you need to get back them stats (blue seed, redseeds, +80) done this look how many runeholes are left. Now rune all your cazar gears whit runes blue red green and +50 compare now the 2 full runed gears and decide. If the gap is too high no matter what honing you will have on edgar it won't outclass an honed cazar.

The honing on eddga is almost double that of cazar, and some classes can afford to go eddga without very harsh consequences in PvE while some get shafted (yay balance). Greven dug up a few examples:

 

Beastmaster Cazar vs. Eddga:

AGI -1108pts
Parry -576pts
Vigor -352pts
Haste -309pts

 

So beastmaster basically has no AGI anymore. This is a titanic stat difference for sure, but AGI isn't what beastmaster exactly cares about; that vigor is the annoyance, and you get huge amounts of VIT and STR in honing, the only things beastmaster cares about. And of course, OP CLS runes.

 

Monk Cazar vs. Eddga:

INT -957pts

AGI -666pts

Dodge -935pts

Vigor -277pts

 

RIP monk. Sure a 36% PvP defense increase on a monk is retarded, but those stat drops... yikes.

 

Priest Cazar vs. Eddga:
AGI -301pts
Crit -414pts
Parry -312pts
Cast -594pts
Vigor -125pts

 

Priest loses basically nothing and will be stronger in PvE too with Eddga due to the hones. op op priest as always.

 

As a beastmaster, Eddga looks much more attractive to me than cazar at the moment.

Edited by 9632130515120055620, 02 March 2015 - 04:28 AM.

[Greven79]

Well, you're both correct.

 

Cazar gear is OP in PvE due to the +50 runes, the blue and redseeds. There is hardly any way to compensate that with Eddga gear.

On contrast, Eddga gear is better in PvP due to the CLS runes. The loss is mostly on AGI, vigor, cast speed and critical, not on damage.

Whether AGI is essential is hard to judge, because it also causes a loss of hit & dodge... and that formula is still unknown.

 

On the original question:

Additional stars make hones better but it's not easy to calculate the true impact, because hones vary quite a lot. But look at this:

|  VIT 131  |  PVP 3.22%  |  P.Attack Power 1465  |  SP 1051  |  P.Attack Power 1279  |

 

Seems a lot better than a 500 ATK hone that was mentioned earlier. I even saw a 7% PvP damage increase PER LINE on Eddga gear.

But still, not so sure about the differences between 2star vs. 5star items though.

Edited by Greven79, 02 March 2015 - 07:47 AM.

[Shinyusuke]

So in a few words i have to chose between eddgar and risk way more in honing whit a lot of shances to just hone too low or the wrong stat or stay on cazar that has less potential but a way stronger base to start with?

[Shinyusuke]

So in a few words i have to chose between eddgar and risk way more in honing whit a lot of shances to just hone too low or the wrong stat or stay on cazar that has less potential but a way stronger base to start with?

Said that when i have time i'll check knights and their nerf...

[Sowlemia]

Eddga is better by far in PVP than PVE, i'ld tend to say that you may use both of them then cazar will be for the PVE and eddga for the PVP but this suggestion is based on a dream because there are not any PVE contents which requiers a very OP PVE set, then you can get eddga as PVE and PVP but keep in your mind that eddga is better by far in PVP due to its CLS slots and Honing.

Edited by Sowlemia, 02 March 2015 - 09:39 AM.

[deathdelete]

Ive noticed a difference with stars is lower stars give more of the "desired" hone a bit more easily, rather than a 4 star gear giving a -_- hone but like 10-20 more stats, if that helps at all =D

[9632130515120055620]

 

On the original question:

Additional stars make hones better but it's not easy to calculate the true impact, because hones vary quite a lot. But look at this:

|  VIT 131  |  PVP 3.22%  |  P.Attack Power 1465  |  SP 1051  |  P.Attack Power 1279  |

 

Seems a lot better than a 500 ATK hone that was mentioned earlier. I even saw a 7% PvP damage increase PER LINE on Eddga gear.

But still, not so sure about the differences between 2star vs. 5star items though.

This looks like an Eddga vs Cazar hone; yes Eddga hones are practically broken. That's why I'm wondering if Eddga is so OP in honing that it can be the same as, or even better than cazar for PvE, and how badly the stars would influence that. AKA, I'm a beastmaster who wants to stack as much VIT as I can; and Eddga looks stronger to me with additional PvP upsides.

[FishDeity]

this question was asked before, here's the link to the thread:

http://forums.warppo...es#entry1729169

 

check out post #7,

 

thanks guys for sharing your thought to us.. so meaning stars only adding easy chance to obtain good Honing result.

 

Just to explain further base on our observation.. Honing CAP will be all the same whether you had 2 or 5 stars it only differs on

 

result chances. lets say Max AP (Attack Power) is max at 500 AP each so max will be 1500 since you had a chance to obtain 3 AP at one honing process.

 

On my case i already had 1200 AP on my Sword.. so i will keep it that way..

 

 

Thanks guys so let say our observation is accurate unless otherwise someone proves us wrong..

 

 

[9632130515120055620]

I don't believe that is correct since the game doesn't know what a "good honing result" is. My 4 star himmelmez claw has a hone line of 629 attack power, which is very high and beat out most cazar claws that I saw. Recently I've been trying to hone a pair of 5 star Eddga pants that dropped from a boss but it's proven to give garbage stats (cast speed, haste, w/e) almost every time using 50% Vigor polishes, and I've tried about 20 times already on it. On the flipside, my old two-three star osiris assassin gear only took a couple tries to get some nice hones, but the stats seemed a bit low.

 

Eddga's honing is literally twice as strong as cazar, which is why it probably matters a bit more.

[donchan]

I think the "good honing" referenced in the linked thread is talking about the value of the stat, not the type of stat itself.  For example: If Great Sword X had a range of 250-750 on a single attack power it can be achieved regardless if it's a 2 star or a 5 star, BUT it is easier to get closer to 750 more often on a 5 star than a 2 star.  From my experience I can see this being true, so I actually decided to just settle for 2s Eddga after reading that thread haha. 

[9632130515120055620]

Been honing a little more (on a gold honer, +5% special honing oil). I finally get some good stat lines for a BM and... they're worse on a 5s Eddga than 4s Cazar? Nothing makes sense to me anymore.

 

 

 

 

Edited by 9632130515120055620, 05 March 2015 - 01:47 PM.

[MingMei]

Been honing a little more (on a gold honer, +5% special honing oil). I finally get some good stat lines for a BM and... they're worse on a 5s Eddga than 4s Cazar? Nothing makes sense to me anymore.

 

There is still a high and low 

those PVP Damage for example is high for a pants 

[donchan]

Been honing a little more (on a gold honer, +5% special honing oil). I finally get some good stat lines for a BM and... they're worse on a 5s Eddga than 4s Cazar? Nothing makes sense to me anymore.

 

 

 

Just keep trying, I kept getting -_-ty hones my Eddga too lol (although it's expected on a 2s).  Eddga gear gets "better" hones, but all that means is that it has a higher maximum.  It's completely possible to get a worse hone on better gear, although I would imagine it being pretty hard on a 5 star >.>