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[Jen1oak]

this is the effect of Hurricane Fury:

• Adds a 2% chance of using [Pulse Strike] Lv 5 on the target when doing a physical attack.
• Reduces damage received from [Medium] size enemies by 10%.
• For each upgrade:
  • Aspd +1%
  • 1% less damage from [Medium] size enemies.

Size Modifiers:

Small 50% Medium 75% Large 100%

 

Does this mean if i put Drake Card which "Removes the size penalties of the weapon," will my damage increase against Players[medium] by 25%? & Also for MVPing Purpose

or

Turtle General which gives 20% Attack??

 

My question is which mvp wold deal more damage on Players?

Any ideas?  please comment below to those who have tested/know calculations.

Edited by Jen1oak, 01 March 2015 - 03:28 PM.

[SonicRain]

Weapon perfection is drake card, and yes increased by 25% since players are medium.

[Zelnite]

the math seems sounds. is there a way to test it using some calcs? maybe there is a way to test the calcs in azzys CC calc. im not sure what numers you would put in. but im sure there is a way to check. if its more there, it probably will be for others things as well. (granted im sure CC and AB is what you might be using it for)

[Jen1oak]

the math seems sounds. is there a way to test it using some calcs? maybe there is a way to test the calcs in azzys CC calc. im not sure what numers you would put in. but im sure there is a way to check. if its more there, it probably will be for others things as well. (granted im sure CC and AB is what you might be using it for)

 

yes more on CC&Acidbomb against MVPS & Acid Bomb against Players.

[Kadelia]

this is the effect of Hurricane Fury:

• Adds a 2% chance of using [Pulse Strike] Lv 5 on the target when doing a physical attack.
• Reduces damage received from [Medium] size enemies by 10%.
• For each upgrade:
  • Aspd +1%
  • 1% less damage from [Medium] size enemies.

Size Modifiers:

Small 50% Medium 75% Large 100%

 

Does this mean if i put Drake Card which "Removes the size penalties of the weapon," will my damage increase against Players[medium] by 25%? & Also for MVPing Purpose

or

Turtle General which gives 20% Attack??

 

My question is which mvp wold deal more damage on Players?

Any ideas?  please comment below to those who have tested/know calculations.

 

How do you have a preposterous to obtain item without GM intervention worth billions of zeny and not know how well-used cards or size mods work? Seriously....

 

Drake card is a hedge against weapon ATK reduction, and Turtle General is a weapon attack increase. Simplified a lot, it would mean the prevention of the loss of around 83 attack versus the gain of about 50 attack, so drake is better by a little bit (about 33 atk) on medium, by a lot on small enemies (like 133 more atk), and is worse by 50 atk on large enemies.

 

Most MVPs are large, and that is an MVP weapon, so usually TG goes in it, not Drake.

Edited by Jaye, 01 March 2015 - 03:46 PM.

[DonatoX]

Get one with TG, and one with Drake ... ^^

[Jen1oak]

How do you have a preposterous to obtain item without GM intervention worth billions of zeny and not know how well-used cards or size mods work? Seriously....

 

sorry but i dont own 2x +15 HF EA12 lol. and i want it to turn into something i can sell fast in the future.

also i thought about carding it for WoE TE

and thank you for the info ^^

Edited by Jen1oak, 01 March 2015 - 03:49 PM.

[KamiKali]

If you put in a Drake or TG you will just devalue the weapon for PVM/MVPing. As for "PVP" Glorious Morning Star is better. This item's only use in "PVP" is for WOE:TE, in which no one would invest 15b+ on.

 

Also how do you obtain a preposterous to obtain item? You just buy it lol.

Edited by KamiKali, 01 March 2015 - 03:49 PM.

[Kadelia]

You quoted the wrong person, I am sure.

[DonatoX]

sorry but i dont own 2x +15 HF EA12 lol. and i want it to turn into something i can sell fast in the future.

then just leave it clean ^^

[Jen1oak]

If you put in a Drake or TG you will just devalue the weapon for PVM/MVPing. As for "PVP" Glorious Morning Star is better. This item's only use in "PVP" is for WOE:TE, in which no one would invest 15b+ on.

 

Also how do you obtain a preposterous to obtain item? You just buy it lol.

 

that's my main purpose WoE TE ^^ im currently playing sin x and bombers are really dealing great damage on me so ive thought about switching

[DonatoX]

I already put TG on mine... And still in love with the dmg that I got ^^

[KamiKali]

I have a AK in mine since it's far the best for damage in PVM. If you want something that's overall, TG would be your best bet since you still get an amplification for large monsters, which most important MVPs are. I also have an uncarded one which is still good in TE. If you can hit like 30k or so, that's more than enough to kill most people.

 

Well if you plan on using it for yourself in TE, whichever you choose is fine, but you did mention resale potential, which is why I said both cards will devalue, or rather add no value / detract potential buyers.

 

edited for further clarification

Edited by KamiKali, 01 March 2015 - 04:02 PM.

[Jen1oak]

I have a AK in mine since it's far the best for damage in PVM. If you want something that's overall, TG would be your best bet since you still get an amplification for large monsters, which most important MVPs are.

 

alright. thanks kali! i was going to keep it clean forever to sell in case but i also want to use it for woe te so it's not just sitting in my storage.

[holatuwol]

You should have a mastersmith in party during WoE TE... why were you even considering a Drake card?

[KudanSeishirou]

TG > Drake.

 

in woe TE you can just be in party with mastersmith and get weapon perfection.

[Jen1oak]

oh i know that .. but mastersmiths arent always available.

 

I'll be putting TG as soon as i get one

 

thanks for the info everyone!

[4782131221082418730]

we will have a Drake effect Shadow gear sooner or later.

[mikayel]

So was this thread really just some backdoor bragging about having a perfect enchanted +15 HF and access to two popular MVP cards?
 

>;[

[Jen1oak]

So was this thread really just some backdoor bragging about having a perfect enchanted +15 HF and access to two popular MVP cards?
 

>;[

 

there's no bragging intended, it was really for something to find out as you read the post/comments

[mikayel]

I was not being entirely serious in my post, hence the >;[ face. 

Otherwise, +1 to Jaye's first post. 

[Yugacky]

white knightage card might do better once we get it.

It gives +15 ATK and 20% more damage on medium and large monsters.

I am not sure if we get the card on next card update though.

 

Or, save your HF for Realized Amdarais card.

 

 

Edited by Yugacky, 03 March 2015 - 11:54 AM.

[KamiKali]

white knightage card might do better once we get it.

It gives +15 ATK and 20% more damage on medium and large monsters.

I am not sure if we get the card on next card update though.

 

Or, save your HF for Realized Amdarais card.

 

Both Amdrais cards go into armor.

White Knightage alone is not better on an HF. It's attack alone is 332, 5% of this is already 16.6.

[Yugacky]

Oh, yeah Amdarias cards are on armor. My bad.

 

I saw White Knightage card description and it alone gives 20% against medium and large monster.

and with the set it gives additional 15% against medium and large monster. So, the total would be 35% with set.

 

And it also give +15 ATK. So, it should be better than TG for medium and large, isn't it?

TG cards effect and RWC Ring ATK% bonus are same category, even without the +15 ATK

White Knighage card should do few percent better than TG against medium and large.

Edited by Yugacky, 04 March 2015 - 10:48 AM.

[DarkGazer]

Oh, yeah Amdarias cards are on armor. My bad.

 

I saw White Knightage card description and it alone gives 20% against medium and large monster.

and with the set it gives additional 15% against medium and large monster. So, the total would be 35% with set.

 

And it also give +15 ATK. So, it should be better than TG for medium and large, isn't it?

TG cards effect and RWC Ring ATK% bonus are same category, even without the +15 ATK

White Knighage card should do few percent better than TG against medium and large.

 

Too bad you can't use a Khalitzbooby card when equipped with a HF.