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[asperatus]

Hi
Can someone post items that provide reduction to fixed cast time? Most of ragnarok related databases are outdated and don't have stuff like
temporal dex boots (-0,5s fixed cast time)

or Fernir card(50 or 70% fixed cast time reduction, not sure which number is correct)

What about other items?

[Kadelia]

Most fixed cast time gear do something minor like 1-7%. The only thing worth using if you had it is the fenrir/nidhoggur cards, and the temporal dex boots.

 

Also gear with fixed cast time -X% do not stack with Sacrament. If you know that much, searching for this kind of gear seems pointless, you know?

 

You can do, like buwaya tattoos, and a "Sepcial INT/DEX/LUK/VIT/STR/AGI" gear for 7% per buwaya and 7% for the special stat socket enchant. Puente robe for 3%. Total is 24%.

Edited by Jaye, 15 March 2015 - 04:51 PM.

[asperatus]

So temporal dex is the only one with flat reduction? (apart of bellum wand which works only in pvp/woe)
I was searching for a way to reduce casting time of foresight since it is only affected by INT and fixed reduction, looks like reducing it more than 2 seconds isnt possible

[MorseCoder]

Fenrir Card (card) gives -70% fixed cast time.

Fenrir Card (item) lasts five minutes when used gives -50% fixed cast time.

 

Jaye also mentioned Niddhogur Shadow Card, which gives -50% fixed cast time for High Wizard and Warlock.

Edited by MorseCoder, 15 March 2015 - 07:25 PM.

[Kadelia]

Foresight is useless why would you want to do that? If you can equip that much fixed time reduction gear, why not equip variable reduction gear and then not even need foresight?

[DrAzzy]

Do multiple -% fixed cast effects stack with eachother? I thought it just took the highest value and used that..

[MorseCoder]

Yeah, Puente Robe description explicitly states that only the largest effect of % fixed cast reduction is used, so it's either 70% (from MVP Fenrir-carded headgear), or 50% (Sacrament or Fenrir Card item).

[Kadelia]

It may just take the highest. I thought it may be additive but capped at 50%, excepting that mvp card, but maybe not. It really does may puente or hidden enchants on accessories with -1% useless.

[PervySageMarty]

i believe original discussions on kRO was that fixed cast time was stackable but before renewal hit in to servers they revoked the idea, leaving all the gear with fixed cast reductions as is.......

[WolfTri]

I believe % fixed cast reductions from the same source stack additively, however, seeing as 2 Fenrir Cards allowed 100% fixed cast reduction on Sakray.

As for flat reductions, Vellum(Bellum) Arc Wand gives -0.2 seconds of Fixed Cast in PvP/WoE environments. Apart from that, Temporal Dex Boots and Sorc's Ventus, Kagerou/Oboro's 16th Night, I do not know of any other flat fixed cast reduction.

[Kadelia]

Is it possible sacrament "sets" reduction to 50% rather than adding 50% to it? (same as how acoustic rhythm "set" resistances to 70%, and could lower resistance if you had higher).

 

Maybe that would explain why it jumps you to 50% no matter how much reduction you had prior.

[WolfTri]

Is it possible sacrament "sets" reduction to 50% rather than adding 50% to it? (same as how acoustic rhythm "set" resistances to 70%, and could lower resistance if you had higher).

 

Maybe that would explain why it jumps you to 50% no matter how much reduction you had prior.

Hmm. Might be worth testing with 1 Fenrir Card + Secrament.

[Potatold]

Fixed cast time % reduction don't stack, only the highest reduction can be applied.
So, Fenrir + Sacra won't stack. Also, tested.

[PervySageMarty]

Potatold is correct, only the highest fixed reduction applies.

[Hikusaak]

Hell,even %reduction and fixed amount of reduction don't stack.

If they did then 120 Dex with Temporal Dex and Sacra should give instant Acid Bomb,Zen and other skills with fully 1 second fixed cast time.

 

[DrAzzy]

Hell,even %reduction and fixed amount of reduction don't stack.

If they did then 120 Dex with Temporal Dex and Sacra should give instant Acid Bomb,Zen and other skills with fully 1 second fixed cast time.

 

 

% reduction and fixed reduction do stack, they just stack in the less favorable way. 

 

The fixed reduction is subtracted from the fixed cast time, and then this new reduced fixed cast time is reduced by the %. 

 

So 1 sec cast time, -50% and -0.5 sec = 0.25 sec. (1 sec - 0.5 - 0.5 sec; 0.5 sec * 50% = 0.25 sec). 

[WolfTri]

Doesn't explain 100% fixed cast removal with 2x Fenrir Card.

[Kadelia]

If 2x fenrir stacks, then it has to be the thing I proposed.

[Hikusaak]

% reduction and fixed reduction do stack, they just stack in the less favorable way. 

 

The fixed reduction is subtracted from the fixed cast time, and then this new reduced fixed cast time is reduced by the %. 

 

So 1 sec cast time, -50% and -0.5 sec = 0.25 sec. (1 sec - 0.5 - 0.5 sec; 0.5 sec * 50% = 0.25 sec). 

 

So,it's a pretty stupid mechanic isn't it?

[asperatus]

Wait, so with 2x fernir card foresight and energy shield would be instacasted?

[Lapphy]

If fenrir stacks, then yes.

 

but, do you even need foresight if you have pure instant cast? no fixed/variable? 

[asperatus]

instant cast foresight means pretty much free 50% variable reduction, 2 sprint rings and spell enchants on mental rod would provide instacast

that being said, getting 2 fernir cards is next to impossible so it's only theorycrafting

[PervySageMarty]

there is no such thing as 100% fixed cast time removal via fenrir card x2!! No such thing exists on kRO, therefore, sure as hell no such thing exists on iRO, if it did then I would literally wonder WTF illegal things iRO is doing........

[Necrohealiac]

instant cast foresight means pretty much free 50% variable reduction, 2 sprint rings and spell enchants on mental rod would provide instacast

that being said, getting 2 fernir cards is next to impossible so it's only theorycrafting

why couldn't you just test this out on sakray to see how it actually works? are the cards not available there?

Edited by Necrohealiac, 23 March 2015 - 05:13 AM.

[Kadelia]

Doesn't foresight not stack additively with gear? I thought it was multiplicative. You'd still need 100% variable from gear.