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#1 RomeroMelo

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 02:29 PM

Hey there guys, what would be the best katar, and Cards< for mvping with a katar focused GX. I've been using a chakram with 2xAK, but i think it is too below form my potencial... I think a Drake+ another dmg card would be the best... But i dont wnat to buy and see that the dmg isnt that great, for it will be hard too sell,in other words, a waste of money... So help me, pls


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 03:46 PM

Penetration Triple Liberation Specialty Jur with Odin's Power, Impositio, Striking, Gentle touch convert, Windmill Rush, Takoyaki, Energy crystal buff and all other possible ATK buffs would do better. Practically, Drake + TG Chakram might be the "best" for non-Fire element large MVPs. There is not much you can do with two slots.

I would just stick with AKx2 Chakram for Crit Katar build for now. Not sure about future.

 


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 04:50 PM

Eh dual dagger is the best with superior card slots and pretty much has a free thanatos card if you can afford drake already cover the one problem with DD
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Posted 17 March 2015 - 06:15 PM

errrr... i'm not that rich to afford a Memory of Thanatos... I dont like DD, for it isnt versatile, with double damage you cant hit mvps with agi up, and a DDcirt can not have Katar mastery, and i'm more woe focused... And i think for now the best is a drake+TG, until the White Knight card comes...


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 08:20 PM

I see sorry I'm just throwing my preference in didn't consider woe at all since I only play for mvping >.<. I need to try woe out asap.

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 10:53 PM

Penetration Triple Liberation Specialty Jur

Don't waste a God Card on a junk weapon D=

 

for OP, Chakram is the best atm, you can try Drake card if you don't have high equipment attack.

if you had high equipment attack (around 156), AK card would be doing better damage than drake.


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 04:35 AM

i dont think 2xak would do better than a drake card, for 25% less dmg against large monsters is too much... i do have a nice set gear, and i still think there could be more damage than a +12 Chakra AKx2. *considering i cant afford a f**ing maemory o thanatos card hahaha


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 04:52 AM

I guess if you're not playing 120 LUK and as you said you are a WoE GX so I'm pretty sure you're not playing 120 LUK, than the damage with Chakram will never be that good =/

 

I do play with a +12 Chakram 2x Aunoe (Works better than 2x AK) and I really don't like the damage (I'm a DD fan, and I have Drake so DD+Drake = coool), but it works sometimes e.e

 

But I guess you can't scape from the Chakram and AK or Aunoe (almost the same effects, my dmg got higher by 1k or 2 with 2x Aunoe).

 

I think you need to get a special set only for mvping with Crit like FAW Fatal10 with Petal and LFH (I do prefer my +12 W.Eddga Hat), I don't know if you got 120 STR, but STR Boots would work well as for non-120LUK GX, the LUK Temporal Boots won't work that good.

 

Unfortunatly, the Chakram is a very weak weapom, almost a crap, just saved by the Assassin Cuffs (which takes you out a Bakonawa)

 

 

Having a lot of buffs and consumables and even shadow gears that grant you pure atk, will help out with the % of crit damage output also.

 

 

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Edited and Adding:

 

The UPG Katar would be the best Katar in the game, but as it is for sure a Pay-2-Win equipment seems like the Staff won't put it on the server.

I kind of agree with them because UPG Katar would make all other Katars usuless for PvM/MvP.


Edited by Setluks, 18 March 2015 - 04:55 AM.

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 05:13 AM

i dont think 2xak would do better than a drake card, for 25% less dmg against large monsters is too much... i do have a nice set gear, and i still think there could be more damage than a +12 Chakra AKx2. *considering i cant afford a f**ing maemory o thanatos card hahaha

well i don't have drake so i don't know how the card works in practice. but in theory

 

+12 Chakram 2AK

(1255*0.75+4*EquipmentAttack)*1.5 = 1411 + 6*EATK

 

+12 Chakram 1Drake 1AK

(1255+4*EquipmentAttack)*1.25 = 1568 + 5*EATK

 

now if you got more 156Equipment attack (which is what i said), let's say 160 then Chakram with AK will have 2371atk, but chakram with drake just have 2368. if you're a fan of white eddga tiger hat (or whatever the name) just use your 2AK chakram. drake is for dual daggers


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 05:19 AM

i dont think 2xak would do better than a drake card, for 25% less dmg against large monsters is too much...

 

It's not fully 25% less damage against large, because eATK won't be effected by size.

 

If you can't kill a MVP with AKx2, I don't think you can kill the MVP with Drake TG/AK neither.

You should invest zeny for something more effective.

What MVP are you trying to kill with the Katar?


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 06:50 AM

 

...LFH (I do prefer my +12 W.Eddga Hat)...

 

 

Is the proc rate increase noticable at +12? I tested with a +10 and it "feels" around the same as a +9. Idk why but I have trouble procing the white eddga (mine's only +9 tho). Stuff dies before a proc or is about to die when it procs so I just default the LFH... =/
 


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 07:10 AM

It's around 7%. You can manually proc it spamming Aloeveras.


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 07:14 AM

Oh yeah, forgot about that, thanks. <3


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 07:45 AM

Actually at +12 I think its pretty spammable the "procing" of the Eddga. and +300 atq is pretty much. I think its because at DD with Drake the Eddga gets my damage 2x and I love it. for crit its not as good ad for DD. But my 12-16k damage goes for 24-32k, with crit.

With DD I can reach 100k+ sometimes depending on mvp.


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 07:56 AM

Still needs to do some testing with the Thanatos Katar, only 1 slot, no combo, but its freaking high attack might make up for it, also frees an acc slot. Will make a +12 one with AK when have chance, mainly to kill mvps with RC, but if u stack high amounts of crit dmg in other equips it can be good also, like Fatal FAW with petal(up to 50% crit damage), +9~12 Luk boots(36~38%), Adv Sin Mask, etc


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 08:06 AM

Still needs to do some testing with the Thanatos Katar, only 1 slot, no combo, but its freaking high attack might make up for it, also frees an acc slot. Will make a +12 one with AK when have chance, mainly to kill mvps with RC, but if u stack high amounts of crit dmg in other equips it can be good also, like Fatal FAW with petal(up to 50% crit damage), +9~12 Luk boots(36~38%), Adv Sin Mask, etc

 

I don't think it should work Ashuckel, the Guillotine Katar has 200 atk (only 20 less than the Thanatos) and people don't use to MvP anymore (maybe for RCing, but WBC enchanted would be a lot better I guess, no?)

I tryed the Thanatos x Chakram with crit style and noticed that even with a non-critical build the damage was a lot differente, while hitting 4k (no buffs, no EDP) with Chakram, I did 2.8k with the Thanatos Katar in the same conditions. (perhaps, my Chakram is +12 and Thanatos +7 with HF)


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 10:09 AM

I guess if you're not playing 120 LUK and as you said you are a WoE GX so I'm pretty sure you're not playing 120 LUK, than the damage with Chakram will never be that good =/

 

I do play with a +12 Chakram 2x Aunoe (Works better than 2x AK) and I really don't like the damage (I'm a DD fan, and I have Drake so DD+Drake = coool), but it works sometimes e.e

 

But I guess you can't scape from the Chakram and AK or Aunoe (almost the same effects, my dmg got higher by 1k or 2 with 2x Aunoe).

 

I think you need to get a special set only for mvping with Crit like FAW Fatal10 with Petal and LFH (I do prefer my +12 W.Eddga Hat), I don't know if you got 120 STR, but STR Boots would work well as for non-120LUK GX, the LUK Temporal Boots won't work that good.

 

Unfortunatly, the Chakram is a very weak weapom, almost a crap, just saved by the Assassin Cuffs (which takes you out a Bakonawa)

 

 

Having a lot of buffs and consumables and even shadow gears that grant you pure atk, will help out with the % of crit damage output also.

 

 

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Edited and Adding:

 

The UPG Katar would be the best Katar in the game, but as it is for sure a Pay-2-Win equipment seems like the Staff won't put it on the server.

I kind of agree with them because UPG Katar would make all other Katars usuless for PvM/MvP.

I plan to switch to a 120 LUK build one day with LUK boots and fatal FAWs (maybe w/ petal, but i like having reducts =/) but would it be possible to reach 193 aspd with those gears? Expecially since I can only use one bako with the chakram+sincuffs combo (not that I have 2 of them anyway lel) and I wanna use my eddga hat instead of an isabella red =/.


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 10:33 AM

its far easier to reach 193 with katars, even not dumping to much into agi or aspd gears its fine. In regards of 1 less bako, u can try 1 costume quve, same 10% aspd, aspd rudra/aaw, 1 flat, its like having hbp 90+ agi bonus on costumes tab


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 10:42 AM

its far easier to reach 193 with katars, even not dumping to much into agi or aspd gears its fine. In regards of 1 less bako, u can try 1 costume quve, same 10% aspd, aspd rudra/aaw, 1 flat, its like having hbp 90+ agi bonus on costumes tab

hmm ok, I do have an aspd rudra, I'll try to get me a quave mask and mess around with the calculator for a bit to see what I can get lol


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 10:47 AM

would it be possible to reach 193 aspd with those gears?

 

It's easy to get 193 with katar (compared to DD) so you'll be fine with only one bako if you wanna use the chakram+cuff combo.


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 11:05 AM

I should look into this right now im just using KVM BR on mvps and doing good damage with converters. Ill show pics shortly once im able to go mvp


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 11:44 AM

I guess if you're not playing 120 LUK and as you said you are a WoE GX so I'm pretty sure you're not playing 120 LUK, than the damage with Chakram will never be that good =/

 

I do play with a +12 Chakram 2x Aunoe (Works better than 2x AK) and I really don't like the damage (I'm a DD fan, and I have Drake so DD+Drake = coool), but it works sometimes e.e

 

But I guess you can't scape from the Chakram and AK or Aunoe (almost the same effects, my dmg got higher by 1k or 2 with 2x Aunoe).

 

I think you need to get a special set only for mvping with Crit like FAW Fatal10 with Petal and LFH (I do prefer my +12 W.Eddga Hat), I don't know if you got 120 STR, but STR Boots would work well as for non-120LUK GX, the LUK Temporal Boots won't work that good.

 

Unfortunatly, the Chakram is a very weak weapom, almost a crap, just saved by the Assassin Cuffs (which takes you out a Bakonawa)

 

 

Having a lot of buffs and consumables and even shadow gears that grant you pure atk, will help out with the % of crit damage output also.

 

 

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Edited and Adding:

 

The UPG Katar would be the best Katar in the game, but as it is for sure a Pay-2-Win equipment seems like the Staff won't put it on the server.

I kind of agree with them because UPG Katar would make all other Katars usuless for PvM/MvP.

 

For MvPing i'm using a Faw Fatal 10 (Petal), +11 Eddga Hat, Agi Boots (for i'm testing 120 agi), a bako, Sincuffs, CD in Mouth, BDM (Dark Ping) and A lot of armors...

Maybe i'll go back to 120str, but i'll keeping testing for now... Well for Demi-human i use my GX katar or my GBR, it will do pretty well, even more when RCing+CRSing...

I wanna complete the endless with my GX, for now i can only reach floor 75... Does anyone here can reach higher floor?


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 12:02 PM


I wanna complete the endless with my GX, for now i can only reach floor 75... Does anyone here can reach higher floor?

 

Got to Bishop, but used waaaay too much consumables to get there (I blame floors 60 and 75 for that, I did alt my failchem for fcp tho).
 


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 12:06 PM

Got to Bishop, but used waaaay too much consumables to get there (I blame floors 60 and 75 for that, I did alt my failchem for fcp tho).
 

i couldnt pass through FBH, and i've  brought my AB and my Gene too haha But i'm still lvl 158


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 12:11 PM

Does anyone here can reach higher floor?

 

My GX can reach 85th floor. I usually bring my AB together.

I am sure I can still reach there without AB.


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