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[Letterfox]

Was working on a sinx for giggles that was Soul Destroyer build. Is it viable anymore? I hit for about 25k if I use EDP. He is level 96. At 175 what kind of damage would we see? Appreciate the help.

[ShoLin]

don't bother for a gx, if it's for TE it's pretty good.

[Ward20th]

When I become GX  100-140 the major attack skill I used so far.

 

Rolling cutter (5x5 cell)

Cross ripper slash (13 cell long range)

Grimtooh (3x3 target cell & 7cell range)

 

EDIT:

yes I still have soul destroy & meteor assault but its sitting in a bench since the day I become level 99 GX.

I wish I can skill reset for FREE to remove them and used the skill point for some useful buff. 

Edited by Ward20th, 13 April 2015 - 05:57 PM.

[Letterfox]

Yeah I was just wondering what kind of damage it would do at 175. Everyone just says it's useless, don't bother etc, but kind of numbers would it give off at 175. I mean I did 25k at 96 so what would it be at 175

[ShoLin]

Listen to them, don't bother.

[Ward20th]

GX level 140 killing a level 110 GX. 

 

21k damge soul destroyer 10cell range 

140k damge cross ripper slash 13 cell range 

 

EDIT:

with EDP & VIP FULL buff & takoyaki

Long ago when I haven't sell my set. 

Edited by Ward20th, 13 April 2015 - 07:52 PM.

[kingarthur6687]

Listen to them, don't bother.

 

And posts like this is why the majority of players are stupid sheeple that blindly follow guides or stereotypes and can't do a thing if they're placed in an unfamiliar or not-ideal situation and forced to rely on themselves.

 

Explaining the how and why Soul Destroyer is not useful is what we should be doing, rather than bluntly saying the quoted.

 

@Letterfox:

I'm not at all qualified to talk about how Soul Destroyer works, but going off iROWiki's page on it I get the impression that Soul Destroyer simply scales horribly into late-game, with SD disregarding almost everything except for your int and right-hand weapon's total flat attack number.

 

Further reading: http://irowiki.org/wiki/Soul_Destroyer

[ssibalyankee]

don't bother for a gx, if it's for TE it's pretty good.

 

 

Listen to them, don't bother.

 

 

...

Listen to them, don't bother

[hmc317]

fyi irowiki soul destroyer page is outdated.

renewal SD does not use INT as part of it's damage formula anymore

renewal SD formula is a straightforward 800%(atk + matk) on level 10.

EDP halves the damage modifier so it's 400%(atk +matk) with EDP

SD ignores flee, so it always hits and never misses.

Range modifiers work on it, as well as damage % cards.

 

this should've been posted in the thief class forum

 

here is a link on some more discussion on SD

http://forums.warppo...r-sbk-mvp-sinx/

 

main problem with SD is it's spam-ability, as it has a long after cast delay. Making strings and/or kiel cards a must to really get your DPS up.

[nevkaye]

Given that you can reset skills for free once under lvl 100 in Izlude, what should you get instead of SD for a GX?

[Ward20th]

Given that you can reset skills for free once under lvl 100 in Izlude, what should you get instead of SD for a GX?

all poison related skill in assassin cross.

bcoz when a mob is in poison status (even its a poison type monster) the attack damage of GX rise a additional +10%

 

 

Ex.

Venom dust skill

50 sec duration in the ground if level 10

putting mobs in poison status instantly 

 

 

Venom splasher 

is a poison splash on horde with 1000% damage   looks cool!!

 

Edited by Ward20th, 14 April 2015 - 02:07 AM.

[Letterfox]

Thank you

Edited by Letterfox, 14 April 2015 - 05:39 AM.

[IronFist]

With Dark Claw, access to better equips weapons and damage gear.

I would assume you could double you're damage easy and maybe hit 100-200k

 

As far as GX goes most people opt for the crit katar build with high dex to hit with rolling cutter.

Personally id perfer grimtooth but if i were to get rolling i would still skill weaponblock and counter slash.

Im a 124 DD and leveling with counterslash 3x3 i can 1 hit mob's and will do so well into my 140's.

I perfer this over the conventional build as its faster and its fun to gear up for you're kill rather then run the same -_- for every monster.

 

Id assume with the right build you can 1 hit most monsters.
But leveling is slow, even if you're one hitting monsters i'm 1 hitting the biggest mobs i can get!

 

Alot can be said for the lack of atk% gear.

Crit % and Range % gear and enchantments are plentiful unlike anything that increases matk% and atk%
Builds are built around gear not stats.  

[Necrohealiac]

Grimtooth is not an efficient way to level. if EDP still worked with it, then sure, but it doesn't anymore.

[Shippou22]

fyi irowiki soul destroyer page is outdated.

renewal SD does not use INT as part of it's damage formula anymore

renewal SD formula is a straightforward 800%(atk + matk) on level 10.

EDP halves the damage modifier so it's 400%(atk +matk) with EDP

SD ignores flee, so it always hits and never misses.

Range modifiers work on it, as well as damage % cards.

 

this should've been posted in the thief class forum

 

here is a link on some more discussion on SD

http://forums.warppo...r-sbk-mvp-sinx/

 

main problem with SD is it's spam-ability, as it has a long after cast delay. Making strings and/or kiel cards a must to really get your DPS up.

 

As far as i recall, only the int part never misses,  so true, you will always do damage, but it wont always be max damage as the ATK part can miss the target.

Also EDP didnt work with soul destroyer.

 

this is from pre-renewal though, so i honestly have no clue if anything i said was changed for renewal. 

 

Either way, in prerenewal it was pretty interesting to play a SD sinx, but there's pretty much no reason to do so given the GX skills.
 

[ShoLin]

And posts like this is why the majority of players are stupid sheeple that blindly follow guides or stereotypes and can't do a thing if they're placed in an unfamiliar or not-ideal situation and forced to rely on themselves.

 

Explaining the how and why Soul Destroyer is not useful is what we should be doing, rather than bluntly saying the quoted.

 

@Letterfox:

I'm not at all qualified to talk about how Soul Destroyer works, but going off iROWiki's page on it I get the impression that Soul Destroyer simply scales horribly into late-game, with SD disregarding almost everything except for your int and right-hand weapon's total flat attack number.

 

Further reading: http://irowiki.org/wiki/Soul_Destroyer

 

No it's from people that know what they are talking about. SD is a WoE TE skill get over it.

[Letterfox]

Grimtooth is not an efficient way to level. if EDP still worked with it, then sure, but it doesn't anymore.

I'm not trying to level with it per se, I just want to know what kind of damage it does at 175 when specced and geared for it. Everyone keeps saying don't do it, but I doubt they have even tried it. How do we know it's bad if it's not been tried lol.

[Letterfox]

Got my non EDP damage on it up to 17k, RTE with 3 AS in each hand. With EDP about 30k at level 96

Edited by Letterfox, 14 April 2015 - 07:06 PM.

[MillyBear]

SD goes through sealed shrine bapho even without the seals. with strings this can make SS runs very easy with the right gear. I do not know if that was a glitch or not or if theyve fixed that but you can check it out for yourself and see if it still works

[Ashuckel]

i can hit more than 100k still as SinX,

never tried the same gears on my 170 GX tho, but with +/- gears and +12 kvm(earth converter) i was doing average 80k to sniper cecil in bio4 instance.

Its more about gears, not level.

[Letterfox]

i can hit more than 100k still as SinX,

never tried the same gears on my 170 GX tho, but with +/- gears and +12 kvm(earth converter) i was doing average 80k to sniper cecil in bio4 instance.

Its more about gears, not level.

Do you mind me asking what gear and what your stats are?

[Necrohealiac]

I'm not trying to level with it per se, I just want to know what kind of damage it does at 175 when specced and geared for it. Everyone keeps saying don't do it, but I doubt they have even tried it. How do we know it's bad if it's not been tried lol.

I wasn't talking about SD.

[Ashuckel]

My SinX is something like this(dont remember exactly):

Str 90
Agi 9x
Vit 30~40
if there are spare points they are in luk.

+12 White Drooping Eddga
----(Any, usually status immunity mid gear)
Pirate Dagger
--- Elemental armors usually
+9 Byeollungum ea9/ +9 Immaterial Sword ea9
+10 Main Gauche[4x AK]
+9 ea10 iFAW
Variant Shoes
Bakonawa Tattoox2

Costume Witch Pumpkin Hat

+7 Kingbird weapon and ancient armor


i think that's it

[ShinobiEX3]

So what about Venom splasher have anyone used it or tested it  at +10

[Ward20th]

So what about Venom splasher have anyone used it or tested it  at +10

I have level 10 but I dont use it... level 10 venom dust is much more reliable than Venom splasher a thousand times. 

 

 

 

my new GX 130

 

-level 10 Venom splasher damage is 6,007 (after waiting 12.5)

VS

-level 5 Rolling cutter + level 10 venom dust "quick poison state" = +200 additional damage (same as +50 attack items effect )  (61.5K damage for 12.5sec 5x5cell) ........no EDP & no buffs 

Edited by Ward20th, 09 June 2015 - 02:06 PM.