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#1 TheRealCaNehDa

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 04:35 AM

and also degrading even though protection is there? 

I recommend not listening to me, but watching, I do cry, and scream a lot, you are forewarned. (no swearing) 


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 04:53 AM

I guess this belongs in bug reporting? My bad. 


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 07:11 AM

Ok so here's the deal canehda.

+13 chance to break/degrade. IF you use a pluto, it will prevent break, not the degrade. Here's where the bug happens.

If you try for +13, and it fails it will degrade to 12 [from then on, for some reason the pluto is stuck in 'prevent break' mode]. so, if you're +13 going for +14, and it fails, remove the pluto, and reinsert it. it should prevent degrade after that [or for safe measure remove all items, and replug them into the refine interface. 


Edited by Feuer, 20 April 2015 - 07:11 AM.

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 07:16 AM

If you're going for +13 and it fails, it will degrade to +11 not 12.


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 07:16 AM

the game should tell me this, not have to read the forums, no? 
 

If you try for +13, and it fails it will degrade to 12 [from then on, for some reason the pluto is stuck in 'prevent break' mode]. so, if you're +13 going for +14, and it fails, remove the pluto, and reinsert it. it should prevent degrade after that [or for safe measure remove all items, and replug them into the refine interface.

 


^That is a serious bug then, no?  
How many pluto runes did I waste doing this then when... ugh. 

Edited by TheRealCaNehDa, 20 April 2015 - 07:18 AM.

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 07:20 AM

Report this via a ticket, and send them your video as proof.


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 07:23 AM

also, it is warning you about the degrade. read the pop-up in your own video.

 

 

If you're going for +13 and it fails, it will degrade to +11 not 12.

 
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As per wiki info [source]
The pluto's he's using prevent the break, and it degrades from 13 to 11 i know, i miss typed that. after that though it's only a -1 [pluto's/neptu's reduce the penalty by 1 tier]
 

 


Edited by Feuer, 20 April 2015 - 07:30 AM.

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 08:06 AM

just seems like, it degraded 2 levels a few times even though I had pluto in it, maybe I'm just crazy, 
Clearly by the video you can tell I am crazy, but... 


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 09:18 AM

Spoiler

 

You complain about the refining system like if you went bankrupt on buying those IM runes, again.....

 

 

Edit: a signature like "Get rich or rekt", from YOU - this is the saddest part of it.

 

 


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 09:22 AM

This video was for fun, and amusement. -- If you've never felt this way refining before, then... idk what to tell you, 
Is sad because I have a signature that says Get Rich, Or Get Rekt? -- uhhhm, ok? :) 
(You mean it's sad because I'm, not rich? Shouldn't that be just ironic? plz don't be sad) 

idk what you mean about me 'going bankrupt' 

Also, I am pretty much laughing, the whole time, this is mainly sarcastic video, 
People take everything to seriously T.T 


Edited by TheRealCaNehDa, 20 April 2015 - 05:48 PM.

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 09:25 AM


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 10:44 AM

The Plutorune will reduce the penalty of failure to refine, by 1 step.

 

Plutorune protection:

If you fail on an attempt that would cause it to Break, it will be Degrade (2)

If you fail on an attempt that would cause it to Degrade (2), it will be set to Degrade (1)

If you fail on an attempt that would cause it to Degrade (1), it will be saved from degrading.

 

Plutorune Description: "This rune will reduce the penalty of a failed refine attempt to one step lower than normal. If the penalty is to break, it will degrade instead. If the penalty is to degrade, it will be preserved."

 

I will update the description to include the Degrade (2) and Degrade (1) particulars, but the mechanics have been like this for a very long time, and the first explanation of how it works is specifically accurate. The second part were examples.

 


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 10:48 AM

I could swear though, it was degrading twice when it was only spose to once w/ pluto *shrug* 

Also, is those clearly visible visual glitches fixable? :o


Edited by TheRealCaNehDa, 20 April 2015 - 10:53 AM.

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 10:51 AM

as i know of for a long time plutorune has always bin no brake or degrade,so when did this change if i may ask ?


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 10:52 AM

10,11,12 will degrade 2 [degrade 1 with pluto] not that complicated. 


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 05:45 PM

in this video, you can clearly see it going from 13 - 11 on a fail, w/ a pluto -- Is that intended, or ? 


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 05:58 PM

in this video, you can clearly see it going from 13 - 11 on a fail, w/ a pluto -- Is that intended, or ? 

As per the Refine Chart, attempting to refine a Grade 9 item to (14) using a Plutorune will degrade the item by 2 refine levels on failure, so yes it is working as intended.  If you didn't use a Plutorune, the item would have been destroyed on failure.


Edited by Genesis, 20 April 2015 - 05:59 PM.

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 06:06 PM

Unfortunately, I would say it is

 


Edited by thetrangdamvn, 20 April 2015 - 06:07 PM.

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 06:13 PM

As per the Refine Chart, attempting to refine a Grade 9 item to (14) using a Plutorune will degrade the item by 2 refine levels on failure, so yes it is working as intended.  If you didn't use a Plutorune, the item would have been destroyed on failure.

Oh, thanks for that clerification. 


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 09:33 PM

As per the Refine Chart, attempting to refine a Grade 9 item to (14) using a Plutorune will degrade the item by 2 refine levels on failure, so yes it is working as intended. If you didn't use a Plutorune, the item would have been destroyed on failure.

He ment going to 13 not 14. So from 12-13 on fail with pluto it went to 11.
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Posted 21 April 2015 - 01:00 AM

He ment going to 13 not 14. So from 12-13 on fail with pluto it went to 11.

No, Gen was correct, 

Going from 13 - 11 means I was trying to go 13 - 14 :)

However, I did  the 12 to 13 fail too, normally is degrade by 2, according to the char, however because I used a Pluto, it degraded once only. 

Plutorunes prevents degrade by one degrade, if penalty is 2 degrades, the item will degrade by 1 only. Plutorunes also prevents break, whilst allowing 2 degrades instead of break. 
 

 

I will update the description to include the Degrade (2) and Degrade (1) particulars, but the mechanics have been like this for a very long time, and the first explanation of how it works is specifically accurate. The second part were examples.

I appreciate you correcting in game warnings, and Pluto definition on this. When I heard this I was baffled on what you would write to update the wording in the description, maybe something along the lines of the italics written above, idk. 






Also, random fact, I updated the description in the video. 

"This game I enjoy thoroughly, the re-actions are exaggerated as a sarcastic joke, 

Am I upset about the outcomes here? Surely a little bit. 
I' still love this game, the fact that refining is a challenge, is a wonderful thing... Sure, the fact this costed tens of billions is slightly upsetting, but hey, if refining was easy, it wouldn't be rewarding. "

 


Edited by TheRealCaNehDa, 21 April 2015 - 01:17 AM.

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#22 angeltje

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Posted 21 April 2015 - 01:19 AM

Hm i remember seeing in the vid failing 12-13 and then going down twice with pluto. Well i might be crazy
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Posted 21 April 2015 - 02:12 AM

Hm i remember seeing in the vid failing 12-13 and then going down twice with pluto. Well i might be crazy

With the amount of mats I used, for the outcome, I wouldn't be surprised. 


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Posted 21 April 2015 - 07:49 AM

There may be a misunderstanding here. The item was at 12, and he was trying for 13 with a plutorune. It failed so it degraded one, which would put it at 11. That is exactly how it is supposed to be.


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Posted 21 April 2015 - 08:09 AM

The system is completely rigged against you.  I still use my 180 honor gear and will never upgrade. I'm not spending billions to have my item not upgrade, or even more for a couple hundred more defense.


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