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#1 TheRealCaNehDa

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 11:29 AM

Champs can't handle dmg, 
Clerics can't handle dmg, 

Just saying. 


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 11:55 AM

Can't take this seriously when your avatar is a gun wielding character. It's also one hell of a blanket statement.


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 12:11 PM

its just the dmg formula, crit rapes spear and sword champs


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 12:15 PM

Ya its true they take a lot of dmg but champs arent thad bad in pvp they wil lose becaus the raiders go more vor ap in cd they use different sets with 2hand swort you can make a lot of kils. I already have lvl 220 honor on my champ. At the moment I play knight its fun but with the new def system they take a lot of dmg lot of pp target knight in cd to get more points with dmg. Knight does not a lot of dmg is not realy a problem, knight is more vor support but I think they should give knight more def and make dmg reduction skill at the moment 20% chance to 40% and give more options to support in cd taunt is a nice skill to keep raidets from clerics vor a short time.

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#5 TheRealCaNehDa

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 12:20 PM

a decent build raider, always could beat my champ, now my champ doesn't even stand a chance to skill :X


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 12:22 PM

If people wanna dissagree, sure.... 
But compare the amount of champs playing PVP to what it once was, 
The only champs still playing PVP are the poor suckers that made them before raiders became gods. 


also, -- oh noes, I am at 30% HP, lets stealth and run away. 
*facepalm* 


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 12:26 PM

idk about u, but ive been seeing a lot more sword champs around ;o but w/e merge is soon, you'll see more than enough axe champs


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 12:30 PM

War today with revelations, how many raiders did you guys have? 6 raiders? all katar? -- Don't tell me you don't pick that class cause they're OP. 


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 12:36 PM

had 5, vs you guys with dual, 3 katars, scout, and 2 champs

its not like you guys aren't using raiders either

 

 


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 12:55 PM

had 5, vs you guys with dual, 3 katars, scout, and 2 champs

its not like you guys aren't using raiders either

we had 1 duel, 1 katar, 1 scoult, 2 champs. 

(We might have had 2 katar for a second, but one left ) 

Side note, I will be using Katar when I get one, even though I hate that job class passionately. 


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 12:59 PM

both champs was laying face down before could even let out a skill :X


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 01:25 PM

both champs was laying face down before could even let out a skill :X

 

That's because the skill update nerfed champion defense too hard.  Personally, I think the crit damage gem is broken.

As I said, you are making a false blanket statement.  You are saying that scouts are op because they can stealth.  Crossbow scouts don't have stealth.


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 01:38 PM

I was just raging, don't mind me. 

3 champs (inc. me as well) and 1 cleric just beat a team of 1 scout, 1 raider, one axe champ, and one cleric (I think the other person was a raider? not sure) 

I feel slightly better... 

But still feel like champs deff is nerf hard.


Edited by TheRealCaNehDa, 26 April 2015 - 01:40 PM.

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 01:46 PM

...... so much wrong here


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 01:59 PM

What's even more backwards and sad is raiders being the tanks in dungeons than champs lol....  


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:12 PM

What's even more backwards and sad is raiders being the tanks in dungeons than champs lol....  


^so that does bother other people too? 
I thought I was going crazy.... 

I remember people going, waaa waa, waaa, my raider dies from champ, waa, waa, waaa. 

Now champ is like, squishy wuishy like a bunny wunny. 


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 02:26 PM

Seriously Canehda, this is too easy.

1: Champs can tank in DG just fine, the fact you chose the 1 shoddy type [Spear] is just your fault. There's a REASON no one uses them for anything other then AoE farming.

2: Your champ gonna die against anything* crit built. Crit + Enhance damage are the PvP stats, because they both affect melee & skill damage. Not only that but your "defensive" mechanic on spear is dodge. And only a noob thinks that 3k dodge is going to do you any good in competent PvP. 

 

The reason you see so many Raiders especially in SC is because they can stealth and unlock the gates. And the mobs only need 1 tank on Boss, and they don't even have to be good.

1 Stun spammy toon like a mage / axe / xBow scout / Dual and the bosses are helpless, that leaves the rest of the DPS to Katar because all these kids want is to click + afk til the boss dies and collect the reward.

 

Aside from all those points, and since I'm kinda over-all done with this game -hell i even deleted my Champion officially. Def isn't your only defensive statistic for Champs. Max HP plays a MASSIVE role, more then most people give you credit for. 

If 1 Def gem gives me a 1.8% Physical reduction, that means any 3k hit is reduced by a total of '34'. Take that same Gem slot and put an A7 you get 1k~2k more HP. I'll take the additional 34 damage and 1-2 more melee's [5 - 7 in pvm] any day. Aside from that, you get other defensive mechanics. SF's can sue mute in defense against casters when tehy need to slow the dps/burst, and Axes are straight Brutal Crit tank + can absorb. 

There's more but it starts to become a min/max war. The essential point is Champs weren't supposed to be tanks, ever; and Defense isn't the only stat you should concern yourself with.

 

Your other misc complaint:

"30% HP, stealth + run" Seriously? you're on a spear, the AoE Radius on decloak is retardedly huge for a spear....

 

You shouldn't even be allowed to comment about the class after this. For starters you only JUST got 230 on your champ recently, aside from only coming back recently. And you obviously have spent most your time talking yourself up, instead of figuring out what your chars should be doing / wearing / using. 


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 03:34 PM

skilled players are OP


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 03:44 PM

This kind of topic is ridiculous and makes you look like an incompetent. Each class has their skills, their pros and cons. What is different is the style and playability of each. Every class has its advantages and disadvantages in another. Nothing but the incompetence of who plays, not knowing how to use these "blind spots"


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 03:56 PM

I guess I will just make a raider, cause apparently no one here agrees that champs are useless in comparison. 


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 03:57 PM

Take the hint, STOP, USING, SPEARS. 


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 04:04 PM

but I like my spear :( 


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Posted 26 April 2015 - 05:22 PM

but I like my spear :(

Sorry for crushing your hopes and dreams, but spears are simply far far below the grid. Many experienced players have tried to make it work but it's not possible.

 

Spears: PVM

Swords: Crystal defenders

Axes: PVP

 

Champions aren't designed to have big wars. Even a small one where teams are even, it won't survive long without a cleric.


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#24 Valakas

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 05:58 PM

but I like my spear :(

+1 Gotta admire that persistent attitude of yours, I'll give u that. 

Just keep using it if you want, from my experience in Rose Online, its only a matter of time before Spear Champ becomes god. Apparently, each classes take turn to become God in this game.

-First, you get an update to balance some stuff, then it turns out one class stands higher than the  others.

-Second, people come in and complain and WP realized their mistake and began nerfing said class and  enhance the others.
-Third, a new update is introduced again to "Correct some designs that weren't meant to be in the    first place" and suddenly everyone realizes that they are getting their butts kicked by Clerics ROFL.
-Fourth and so the army of many marches in WP forum again and they are armed with 1000000

 reasons of why things should change. So, WP of course take some action which brings us to,
-The fifth, a new update is available folks! To right some wrongs in the system where "It did not  perform as intended" . 

Like I said, just keep using it, its only a matter of time before its your turn to be OP.

 "Wait while you must, and shine while you can" 


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#25 thetrangdamvn

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 06:06 PM

^ LOL true that.


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