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[MoyuZ777]

...For mvping


mine is thanatos katar

What's yours?

[Ashuckel]

Hasn't even been released yet and its already my favourite :3

Juliette de Rachel[2]---> acording to google translate lol

http://www.divine-pr...se/item/28010/2

[atsilva]

For now, i`d say, GBR.

 

Didn't notice u note about MVPing.... for my funds i'll need to stick to [Chakram ASPD enchanted], dunno how to improve with our current gear.

Edited by atsilva, 26 May 2015 - 10:24 AM.

[Ashuckel]

For now, i`d say, GBR.

Didn't notice u note about MVPing.... for my funds i'll need to stick to [Chakram ASPD enchanted], dunno how to improve with our current gear.

GBR and GJ are great against demi human mvp

[Khaioz]

Hasn't even been released yet and its already my favourite :3

Juliette de Rachel[2]---> acording to google translate lol

http://www.divine-pr...se/item/28010/2

 

It will be released on episode 16.1 update
Don't know when we are going to get that

[EinZweiDrei]

how does chakram +sincuffs compare to thanos katar for mvp'ing anyways? in temrs of crit dps.

Edited by EinZweiDrei, 26 May 2015 - 09:05 PM.

[Darksorrow1234]

thanatos katar [1AK] vs bloody tears [2AKs] + FS12~FS14, which one is better in terms of DPS? 

[inspectortrix]

my favorite katar would be my slicing infiltrator... reminds me of the good old times

[CadburyChocolate]

how does chakram +sincuffs compare to thanos katar for mvp'ing anyways? in temrs of crit dps.

I want to know as well :/

[atsilva]

how does chakram +sincuffs compare to thanos katar for mvp'ing anyways? in temrs of crit dps.

 

Great question.

Is it possible to keep constant 193 ASPD with [Thanatos+LukTemp+Petal card+Eddga Hat]?

 

I dont believe Thana could beat Chakram combo, because the Crit modifier + 2nd AK is huge increase in dmg.

 

We need someone to do the math!

[KudanSeishirou]

Rough Calculation

 

Theoretically = Thanos Katar

 

+12Chakram[2AK]+sincuff (130str)

274*5*1.5 = 2055

Crit = 2055*1.8 = 3699

 

+12 Thanos[AK]+Bako (130str)

447*5*1.25*1.07 = 2989

Crit = *1.4 = 4184

 

if you can get FS 13 on Chakram, Chakram will have 4185 Crit Damage. Well it depends again on your other gears though. (like STR/Luk boots)

[ShinobiEX3]

GBR +14 and loving it bwhahahahahaaa

[aznspikey]

Mine is my +12 +2 aspd Chakram [2xAK] on my katar GXs. Easy to hit 193 aspd with it and I can use +9 Fatal FAW, +12 eddga and temp luk boots.

[MoyuZ777]

Nice! Is that Fatal Faw as in Petal card?

Mine is my +12 +2 aspd Chakram [2xAK] on my katar GXs. Easy to hit 193 aspd with it and I can use +9 Fatal FAW, +12 eddga and temp luk boots.

[Yugacky]

+12Chakram[2AK]+sincuff (130str)

274*5*1.5 = 2055

Crit = 2055*1.8 = 3699

 

+12 Thanos[AK]+Bako (130str)

447*5*1.25*1.07 = 2989

Crit = *1.4 = 4184

 

Your calculation does not seems right. You didn't include variance and over refinement bonus.

And it's not fair to compare +12 lvl 3 weapon vs +12 lvl 4 weapon. You should compare +13 Chakram vs +12 Thanatos Katar.

 

+13Chakram[2AK]+sincuff (130str)

331*5*1.5 = 2482

Crit = 2482*1.4*1.4 = 4865

 

+12 Thanos[AK]+Bako (130str)

547*5*(1.25+1.07) = 3610

Crit = 3610*1.4 = 5054

 

Interesting. I might need to check the actual use case further.

 

[Darksorrow1234]

so i guess Bloodtears 2AKs are now considered obsolete against thanatos katar?

[Yugacky]

EA9+ Blood Tears can beat Thanatos Katar for CRS. lol

[aznspikey]

Nice! Is that Fatal Faw as in Petal card?

 

 

Nah I got an Immune and a Deviling Fatal FAWs. I don't like the idea of having no neutral resist garments (i.e. Raydric/Deviling) especially when it comes to soloing. Elemental resist garments have a time and a place too.

[KudanSeishirou]

Your calculation does not seems right. You didn't include variance and over refinement bonus.

And it's not fair to compare +12 lvl 3 weapon vs +12 lvl 4 weapon. You should compare +13 Chakram vs +12 Thanatos Katar.

 

+13Chakram[2AK]+sincuff (130str)

331*5*1.5 = 2482

Crit = 2482*1.4*1.4 = 4865

 

+12 Thanos[AK]+Bako (130str)

547*5*(1.25+1.07) = 3610

Crit = 3610*1.4 = 5054

 

Interesting. I might need to check the actual use case further.

so you're saying that %Crit damage doesn't stack with base crit damage ?? instead it multiplicative ? someone need to clarify this then.

 

Also your AK and %ATK calculation doesn't make any sense to me.

 

and I did say rough calculation, so I cut out the variance part, and I just take the average value of the refine level. if you want to make chakram +13 just add +5 atk to chakram, if you want to have +9 thanos, just substract 21 to thanos atk.

[Yugacky]

oops, 547*5*(1.25+0.07) = 3610 That's what I meant.

AK/TG and ATK% bonus are same kind of category in the calculation.

[atsilva]

Based on both calculations, the advantages of having +2 ASPD on the Chakram is pretty relevant, since you could stack more DMG modifiers, and in the end, overcoming the smaller base atack.

 

I dont really use Thanatos outside of RC, and with my setup i couldnt get constant 193 ASPD with it, even with 2xBako (i dont use 120AGI thou...perma 150GX).

Is it possible to keep constant 193 ASPD with [Thanatos+LukTemp+Petal card+Eddga Hat] or Cenere is needed for that?

[YangeWenli]

Gonna need atleast 100 agi, +1 aspd costume,and cenere with that setup

Edited by YangeWenli, 28 May 2015 - 03:15 AM.

[Ashuckel]

u can of course get 193

my 2nd gx( even tho the skill points are bugged and i didnt assigned a single point until its fixed) has 7x str, 91 agi, 90 vit, 120 luk. using a temp luk AD4, eddga hat, +9 fatal10 faw with petal, 2x rwc rings, rudra aspd+1, can easily hit 192 aspd just using agi up, agi+20 and double click edp. Using items such as bako tattoo will make u get 193 ez ez.

[Yugacky]

Chakram can have two enchants.

Let's say, Chakram has FS7x2 to match the ASPD with Thanatos Katar.

Which add 48 eATK. If we include the eATK to the calculation.

The Chakram's ATK would be 5429.

 

If you use +9Luk Boots(36%) and +12 FAW with Fatal3/3 Special AGI with Petal card.(16+6+24)

That's 82% crit damage bonus.

In Chakram's case, these cirt bonus makes ATK 58% higher since Chakram already have 40% bonus.

However, in Thanatos Katar's case, it will be full 82%.

 

This makes Thatatos Katar slightly better. (about 10% or less).

But if Eddga proc, Chakram will be better because of 2nd AK card.

With Gold Scaraba card(s), Chakarm would get more ATK.

 

For criting, both are pretty similar for mid size.

Chakram would get more eATK that bypass size modifier,

and it would do better on small and large size, I think.

Edited by Yugacky, 28 May 2015 - 07:23 AM.

[Ashuckel]

What about if u use 2x meg :3. +150 str and 20% boss dmg