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[VWFP]

is there a significant difference in crush strike damage between 80 base str and 100 base str?

 

i previously have 100 base str but i stat reset and my new build can only have 80 str.

 

i was thinking there would not be after looking at the atk formula and crush strike formula in irowiki but im not sure though. TIA. 

[blackCROSSCY]

Yes there is of course, but the most important thing is still a high damage weapon with high upgrades.

[VWFP]

Yes there is of course, but the most important thing is still a high damage weapon with high upgrades.

 

is it significant? 

[blackCROSSCY]

There is of course. Str multiplies your weapon damage and crush strike's formula is applied on overall ATK.

A pure 75 weapon Attack between death guidance and violet fear, applied through my 120str already gives quite a significant different. You will gain at least 30-40 ATK extra from that 20str with the multiplier.

Then again, it depends on your build. Are you going for a run of the mill hybrid or one specific efficient build?

[VWFP]

im planning. DB on pvm. and CS on pvp. would the damage difference be like 5k or more? 

[cfuu]

is there a significant difference in crush strike damage between 80 base str and 100 base str?

 

i previously have 100 base str but i stat reset and my new build can only have 80 str.

 

i was thinking there would not be after looking at the atk formula and crush strike formula in irowiki but im not sure though. TIA. 

 

Crush Strike damage formula (according to irowiki)

• Damage (ATK): [{WeaponLv × (WeaponUpgrade + 6) × 100} + (WeaponATK) + (WeaponWeight)]%​

 

​Lets say you have a +0 Hunter Spear and a +12 Hunter Spear,

 

The +0 HS will have [{4*(0+6)*100}+180+420]%= 3000%atk

 

+12 HS will have [{4*(12+6)*100}+(180)+420]%= 7800%atk (will neglect the variance,refinement,and str bonus factors for now lol)

 

 

So you can have a 0 weight low atk weapon and still get a decent amount of damage, as long as it's a level 4 weapon and high refinement.(probably need something better in pvp : \)

 

 

 

The difference in str will be huge with high atk weapon, also str affects status atk and weapon atk two factors.

ATK = StatusATK × 2 + WeaponATK + EquipATK + MasteryATK

http://irowiki.org/wiki/ATK

 

 

If you're focusing CS in pvp, high str with high refine weapon is recommended.  

Edited by cfuu, 13 June 2015 - 04:53 AM.

[VWFP]

 

Crush Strike damage formula (according to irowiki)

• Damage (ATK): [{WeaponLv × (WeaponUpgrade + 6) × 100} + (WeaponATK) + (WeaponWeight)]%​

 

​Lets say you have a +0 Hunter Spear and a +12 Hunter Spear,

 

The +0 HS will have [{4*(0+6)*100}+180+420]%= 3000%atk

 

+12 HS will have [{4*(12+6)*100}+(180)+420]%= 7800%atk (will neglect the variance,refinement,and str bonus factors for now lol)

 

 

So you can have a 0 weight low atk weapon and still get a decent amount of damage, as long as it's a level 4 weapon and high refinement.(probably need something better in pvp : \)

 

 

 

The difference in str will be huge with high atk weapon, also str affects status atk and weapon atk two factors.

ATK = StatusATK × 2 + WeaponATK + EquipATK + MasteryATK

http://irowiki.org/wiki/ATK

 

 

If you're focusing CS in pvp, high str with high refine weapon is recommended.  

 

 

is the giant lance a good or even better weapon than glorious spear? it has 2000 weight so its kinda like 2000% more damage?

[cfuu]

Yes, the giant lance does give some boots on damage based on its weight.

However the weapon lvl and refinement part matters significantly.

 

Any +12 lvl 4 weapon will give {4*(12+6)*100} = 7200% which is way higher than the 2000%.

 

Using the giant lance, you'll need 120 str to have that 300atk bonus, which isn't good unless you're going for extreme build i.e.120 str, 120 luk...

 

 

Pros: -heavy weight

          -high damage at 120str.

 

 

Cons: -No shield, need to depend on millennium shield for defence or switch gears.

         -No bonus damage on demi-human.

 

I would say get a high refine glorious/bellum spear and test it out in pvp first.

Most classes have high reductions so you'd probably want glorious/bellum weapon~

Also CS have high chance breaking the weapon.

 

You can use two hand sword too, glorious claymore as an alternative weapon, that way you're able to cast parry as one of your defences.

 

If and only if you're one of those crit addict and financially capable, get a high refine Violet Fear with sharp enchantments [1Thanatos, 1 randgris]   <<<this tend to be more of a PvM weapon

 

Don't forget to use Giant Growth and Fighting Spirit before you CS someone/something~ have fun

[fuyukikun]

if i use mace or axe, will the weapon break when using CS? since mace and axe are unbreakable

[blackCROSSCY]

I don't think either will break. Crush strike works the same as weapon destroyed in battle by opponent skills, so if axe and maces are indestructible that way then it will not break under CS.

Giant lance may not be as good as you believe since the 300 atk might be equipment atk if it works the same as other weapons who get boosts from requirements. This means that str barely increases its measly base damage and not the 300. That can be a large difference even if giant lance gives you ~1600% additional to weapons at comparable upgrades.

[fuyukikun]

ya, similar to equip atk bonus from doomslayer, that bonus atk not affected by your str

[VWFP]

Yes, the giant lance does give some boots on damage based on its weight.

However the weapon lvl and refinement part matters significantly.

 

Any +12 lvl 4 weapon will give {4*(12+6)*100} = 7200% which is way higher than the 2000%.

 

Using the giant lance, you'll need 120 str to have that 300atk bonus, which isn't good unless you're going for extreme build i.e.120 str, 120 luk...

 

 

Pros: -heavy weight

          -high damage at 120str.

 

 

Cons: -No shield, need to depend on millennium shield for defence or switch gears.

         -No bonus damage on demi-human.

 

I would say get a high refine glorious/bellum spear and test it out in pvp first.

Most classes have high reductions so you'd probably want glorious/bellum weapon~

Also CS have high chance breaking the weapon.

 

You can use two hand sword too, glorious claymore as an alternative weapon, that way you're able to cast parry as one of your defences.

 

If and only if you're one of those crit addict and financially capable, get a high refine Violet Fear with sharp enchantments [1Thanatos, 1 randgris]   <<<this tend to be more of a PvM weapon

 

Don't forget to use Giant Growth and Fighting Spirit before you CS someone/something~ have fun

 

i thought giant lance can be upgraded, it cant?

[cfuu]

I don't think either will break. Crush strike works the same as weapon destroyed in battle by opponent skills, so if axe and maces are indestructible that way then it will not break under CS.

Giant lance may not be as good as you believe since the 300 atk might be equipment atk if it works the same as other weapons who get boosts from requirements. This means that str barely increases its measly base damage and not the 300. That can be a large difference even if giant lance gives you ~1600% additional to weapons at comparable upgrades.

 

Thanks for clarifying the equipment atk part!

[cfuu]

if i use mace or axe, will the weapon break when using CS? since mace and axe are unbreakable

 

I don't think those will, but why not stick to glorious/bellum spear or sword?

[RaohSung]

Giant Lance can be refined.
Fuyuki just asked, if he would use a naturally non breakable weap., if it would still have a chance to break.
+ Axes aint bad for CS purposes.
But Yes, overall, better stick to a Glorious Spear, Glorious/Bellum Claymore. (PVP/WOE wise)

Edited by RaohSung, 14 June 2015 - 11:30 PM.

[cfuu]

i thought giant lance can be upgraded, it cant?

 

Yes it can be upgraded.

 

I'm just suggesting the glorious spear/claymore since these weapons deal extra damage to demi-human.

 

And as clarified in the threads above, the base damage of giant lance is only the 20 atk(str affects this part), rather than 20+300 atk.

Therefore, the damage probably wouldn't be as good as you expected. : \

 

Again, really recommend glorious weapons especially pvp

 

glorious weapons >~ bellum weapons > giant lance.

(                     high                    refinement             )

 

 

 

If you only have giant lance available now, then go for it~  

[fuyukikun]

so it is true then if i use mace/axe, my weap wont break by using CS? good to know

[cfuu]

I just used 15 rhydos and my HF did not break~

[VWFP]

Yes it can be upgraded.

 

I'm just suggesting the glorious spear/claymore since these weapons deal extra damage to demi-human.

 

And as clarified in the threads above, the base damage of giant lance is only the 20 atk(str affects this part), rather than 20+300 atk.

Therefore, the damage probably wouldn't be as good as you expected. : \

 

Again, really recommend glorious weapons especially pvp

 

glorious weapons >~ bellum weapons > giant lance.

(                     high                    refinement             )

 

 

 

If you only have giant lance available now, then go for it~  

 

how does gspear's 95% more damage to demi-humans work? g.spears attack of 130 x 0.95?

[blackCROSSCY]

You are close but far away racial cards increase weapon attack, which is more than just base attack.

Full formula:
WeaponATK = ( BaseWeaponATK + Variance + STRBonus + RefinementBonus ) × SizePenalty

Therefore your damage will be increased by wATK*95. Depending on your STR and weapon upgrade, the damage difference is again significant.

Source: http://irowiki.org/wiki/ATK

Edited by 717348868, 16 June 2015 - 01:23 AM.

[cfuu]

how does gspear's 95% more damage to demi-humans work? g.spears attack of 130 x 0.95?

 

As 717348868 stated above, it multiplies weapon atk part.

Also just want to add that if you use glorious claymore, you'll probably need teammate to cast weapon perfection for you in order to do the max damage.