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#1 VModCinnamon

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 02:44 PM

Classic Autopot Discussion Thread
 
Due to the differences in mechanics between Renewal and Classic and to avoid any further misunderstanding between posters we will have separate threads per server.
Please discuss Autopot within Classic mechanics in this thread.
 
Before you start brainstorming and discussing things please make sure to read CM Oda's statement here.
 
Please be sensible when arguing. Calling each other stupid is not constructive and may lead to moderation actions. You have been warned.
 
 
Original Autopot discussion thread can be viewed here.


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#2 AlmrOfAtlas

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 02:50 PM

Soooo do we need to repeat our opinions here for the 4th time?

 

Original cheating thread with plenty of good content - locked and hidden.

 

AP thread in the wake of the announcement - locked.

 

Oda's discussion thread - locked redirected.

 

Many of us posted in all of them. This is getting annoying.


Edited by AlmrOfAtlas, 27 June 2015 - 02:59 PM.

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#3 Acuwrex

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:00 PM

I'm for legalized AP.


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:01 PM

Same lol. Reasons: see other threads.


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:06 PM

legal for all the past stuff posted in the other thread


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:07 PM

So many VH threatening to quit over this :wah:


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:09 PM

I'm indifferent. 


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:36 PM

I'm for legalized AP.

Me too.

 

I haven't seen any possibly fix to keep it how it is that's beneficial and can actually be done. :(


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:38 PM

Just legalize it already. But we still need active GMs during WoE, ndl hurts.


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:41 PM

Yeah I'm completely against NDL and anything other than AP/RCX/AHK.


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:42 PM

nosword tho plz the misclicks from the client wanting to target off screen character is retarded qq


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:53 PM

Oh yeah, minor quality of life stuff like that is cool too. I'm against editing character sprites though.


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 04:24 PM

As i stated in the other topics, i'm for legalizing it on Classic. There is simply no way to enforce a rule against it, especially not with the limitations the iRO team are unfortunately faced with. I've gone into detail in the other topics about why i feel this way and why enforcement is simply impossible.

I will say though, as others have, that this is where we draw the line. Things like ndl can never be considered for legalizing as they are absolutely detectable, albeit difficult at times.
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Posted 27 June 2015 - 04:33 PM

+1 for AP

Won't ever be able to prevent or enforce it. New players become useful/average and skilled players are still better.
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Posted 27 June 2015 - 04:43 PM

Master-smiths are literally unkillable in classic.

I've tanked 2-3 god bombers with glorious set and ranked slim's.

 

But that was pure skill, spamming potions getting into precasts and spamming more potions, hammerfall and cart revo.

Can we get auto walkers too? why don't we just teleport to the emp, why don't i just buy castles?
Seriously AP is cheating and needs attention in classic because this is where its most advantageous. 


Edited by IronFist, 27 June 2015 - 04:44 PM.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 04:44 PM

unless youve been doing some shady stuff classic doesnt have glorious sets so not sure if you even play the server


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#17 AlmrOfAtlas

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 04:48 PM

New players become useful/average and skilled players are still better.

 

Untrue. A bad player using AP doesn't make a good player (despite what Tolrin thinks), it just makes a tankier player with a penchant for tunnel visioning. Without situational awareness a new player will die just the same, but they'll take more supplies with them. It's certainly not why Classic needs to consider AP.

 

It's more because of the inherent superiority of players that employ AP should their opponents be equal and identical in all aspects but the use of 3pps. It's the unfairness. Since AP can't be policed and enforced right now, and the GMs evidently try harder to interfere with fights than they do to collect data (hello GM sitting in the middle of a precast like it was an entirely necessary measure), comp needs to be leveled with legalization.

 

Master-smiths are literally unkillable in classic.

I've tanked 2-3 god bombers with glorious set and ranked slim's.

 

But that was pure skill, spamming potions getting into precasts and spamming more potions, hammerfall and cart revo.

Can we get auto walkers too? why don't we just teleport to the emp, why don't i just buy castles?
Seriously AP is cheating and needs attention in classic because this is where its most advantageous. 

 

As a Mastersmith player on Classic I just have to say.

 

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Edited by AlmrOfAtlas, 27 June 2015 - 05:30 PM.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 04:49 PM

Master-smiths are literally unkillable in classic.

I've tanked 2-3 god bombers with glorious set and ranked slim's.

 

But that was pure skill, spamming potions getting into precasts and spamming more potions, hammerfall and cart revo.

Can we get auto walkers too? why don't we just teleport to the emp, why don't i just buy castles?
Seriously AP is cheating and needs attention in classic because this is where its most advantageous. 

 

11/10 will read and laugh again.


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 05:57 PM

I mean whoa, we already level your character. You want there to be an option for the game to make potting easier? Why are we making this game so easy?


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 06:00 PM

I mean whoa, we already level your character. You want there to be an option for the game to make potting easier? Why are we making this game so easy?

 

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Anyway, cheaters gonna cheat. That's why.


Edited by VModCinnamon, 28 June 2015 - 06:56 AM.
Removed flame bait post.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 06:59 PM

I know that there's plenty of different autopot options available for people and that it's hard to spot/detect/prevent. However I do not want to see it become legal, I would probably stop showing up for siege if it was.

 

It would be nice for the GMs to give us a clear indication of what's not legal (autopot, grf  edits, bots, emblem swapping, recalling purposefully to put people behind cades etc) and what is (rcx, autohotkey/macros) making punishments clear, with first/second/third strike. Including in that the type/volume of proof a player would need to gather against someone else. There are too many things that are not really clear enough for players, everyone sees cheats on every other player and nobody feels that there's any point in reporting people because they feel nothing gets done. There's also those weird grey areas with the GRF edits like big card/GSB or the client hexes for noshake/chat popup, which I'm sure a lot of people use and are not actually available to everyone. It would be good to have those things cleared up and if they were to be endorsed by the GM team, made available to everyone equally instead of having to know a guy who knows a guy or blindly google searching and hoping you come up with something safe.

 

I'm excited at the prospect of there being GMs available during siege, hopefully they'll get better at being more conspicuous. If there's more situations of AFK players with autopots left on the GMs can theoretically be alerted and that can be dealt with.


Edited by Themes, 27 June 2015 - 07:04 PM.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 09:40 PM

Master-smiths are literally unkillable in classic.

I've tanked 2-3 god bombers with glorious set and ranked slim's.

 

But that was pure skill, spamming potions getting into precasts and spamming more potions, hammerfall and cart revo.

Can we get auto walkers too? why don't we just teleport to the emp, why don't i just buy castles?
Seriously AP is cheating and needs attention in classic because this is where its most advantageous. 

 

And people don't realize when auto-pots script leaked from bots, the application maker just make it more simple and make you can pass bot checking since you're not AFK... Why don't just legalize bots for classic now lol...


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 10:38 PM

What's not legal is in the terms of service. Stuff like RCX was never "legal", the GM's just don't ban for it. I'm not sure why players feel they need permission to use AP. Really, I don't think anyone who is against 3rd party programs is suddenly going to start using because Oda said it was ok.


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#24 Acuwrex

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 10:41 PM

What is the point of it being illegal?


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 10:47 PM

Make this legal for Classic, it needs to happen.


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