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[Sephnroth]

We had an experience yesterday that does not match what irowiki is telling me,

 

wiki states that "Each party member used to be given 1 Ashes of Darkness upon completing floors 25, 50, 75 and 99. Ashes of Darkness no longer serve any purpose. " but yesterday we wiped several times messing around (just me and an AB) and suddenly he could not get back in to the instance and his ashes were gone. Is wiki out of date? did we do something wrong? was a bit miffed cuz 7 days now until we can do a proper run XD

[beaupoem]

yeah it's out of date. you get 2 ashes at the start now and can only reenter twice.

[Shippou22]

the ashes of darkness are basically your "continues" should you get wiped, if you run out of ashes you cant get back in. you lost 

[Sephnroth]

what was the reasoning behind that change? super high levels and big guild parties are "unlikely" to be easily wiped so this is mostly going to effect low to mid range players like myself who dont usually get past floor 25 anyway? What did it prevent / fix? Seems lower players get a rough enough deal as it is.

[Shippou22]

it prevented endless farming of naght sieger upon tower completion ( i think)

[beaupoem]

fixed it on the wiki. not sure about the Immortal Brazier things though since i've never used those before.

[KriticalAssassin]

it prevented endless farming of naght sieger upon tower completion ( i think)

 

and entweihen, you could farm the 2 of them til your timer ran out for the 4 hours, with a good party that meant you could go a lot of times and kill them over and over.
 

[Sephnroth]

stopping farming is good - but how did it stop farming? it surely only affects you if you CANT kill it in the first place (wipe) but if you got the setup down right you can still farm it as easy as ever right? Making instance close when naght sieger dies would surely of been an actual way of stopping it being farmed (causing 7 day cooldown) - i just cant work out how stopping you enter "if you DIE twice" fixes it

[Inubashiri]

That wasn't the only reason, the Eve Natalia npc was also in that abuse loop.

[Havenn]

I'm not 100% on how the bug worked, but it was something like.

 

Beat ET in 1 hour, then switch party leader and jump back into the tower (automatically used to put you on the floor you left off on in multiples of 5) - so, queue re-entry 1 at floor 96(99)? -- kill Entweihen/Seiger, get your OCAs and RTE/BTEs (safe cert city as inu stated). Swap leader again, repeat previous, repeat again until 4 hours are up.

 

With the new 2 entry limit, and entry at floor 50 vs 9X. this stops people from re-entering 3-4-30x times limiting the exploit.

Edited by Havenn, 01 July 2015 - 09:36 AM.

[Talvis]

It's sad how a few people abusing something can ruin it for everyone.

[Necrohealiac]

then again, the previous version of ET was actually an iRO customization.

[Kadelia]

Its closer to the original kro et now, the abuseable tower was an iro customization we never should have had imo. It catered to the people unqualified to do the instance instead of directing those people to get advice from their peers on hbow to improve r_r

[Nirvanna21]

I liked the tower as it was before, just a shame about the abuse.

[Havenn]

tower was fun before, but it's actually more challenging now and requires more planning

[Althes]

I think the tower used to not allow people to go in again when got wiped. 

[Kadelia]

No the tower gave you 1 ash every 25 floors you cleared (25, 50, 75, 100). If you died you could re-enter with an Ash, but you'd be dropped at the last 25th interval you cleared.

[ShoLin]

I blame the programmers. They'd rather band aid the problem rather than actually fix it.

[Althes]

No the tower gave you 1 ash every 25 floors you cleared (25, 50, 75, 100). If you died you could re-enter with an Ash, but you'd be dropped at the last 25th interval you cleared.

I mean very very long ago. Long before renewal hits. I am not sure though, coz at that time I was not capable of entering the tower. =C

[Kadelia]

The answer is the one I gave

[Inubashiri]

I blame the programmers. They'd rather band aid the problem rather than actually fix it.

 

mmm bugs or mis-intentions are in everything, people who abuse such things and don't report them are the real problem.

[DeadIntern]

mmm bugs or mis-intentions are in everything, people who abuse such things and don't report them are the real problem.

You're blaming the users instead of the programmer? -.-

[Inubashiri]

You're blaming the users instead of the programmer? -.-

 

You act like programmers are omnipotent, you must not be one we make mistakes all the time which is why we need unbiased testing and feedback / bug reports.  If someone doesn't report something it doesn't get fixed and likewise if they take advantage of it and don't report it then yes yes I do blame them.  End user feedback is just as important as writing code.  Except in this case, I blame both parties (kRO and that small bit in the community who abuse such things).

[DeadIntern]

You act like programmers are omnipotent, you must not be one we make mistakes all the time which is why we need unbiased testing and feedback / bug reports.  If someone doesn't report something it doesn't get fixed and likewise if they take advantage of it and don't report it then yes yes I do blame them.  End user feedback is just as important as writing code.  Except in this case, I blame both parties (kRO and that small bit in the community who abuse such things).

 

Noo, but in this case, you know that they're aware of this bug. And yet they're not doing anything about it. So yes, I do blame them and not the users.

[Inubashiri]

Noo, but in this case, you know that they're aware of this bug. And yet they're not doing anything about it. So yes, I do blame them and not the users.

 

So if I went to the ATM to withdraw some money and it malfunctions and spits out all its money in the machine and I take it...I am absolved of all responsibility to report that and no law can touch me.  Putting aside the obvious morality of that.  Because the machine messed up, its my money too bad you should have programmed the machine better it means I get to keep it all.